I'm glad that we're finally realizing that we need open source alternatives for the desktop and our apps, but can we also focus on mobile devices now?
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@Gina maybe actually *do* something on that desktop also. As in deploy. Use. Migrate to. Commit to. Not seeing anything like that here. Tiny trials.
@bert_hubert fully agree. Btw are you going to the ibestuur conference? It might be nice to see what's been happening in the realm of MijnBureau and DAWO.
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I'm glad that we're finally realizing that we need open source alternatives for the desktop and our apps, but can we also focus on mobile devices now?
@Gina I will be writing up some experiences with Ubuntu Touch (mainly, about installing it, and some initial impressions) in a couple of days, I expect.
I don't think it is going to replace GrapheneOS for me, for daily use, right now, though.
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I'm glad that we're finally realizing that we need open source alternatives for the desktop and our apps, but can we also focus on mobile devices now?
RE: https://mastodon.design/@modal/116137223286018094
@Gina That's what the @modal collective has been calling for (and is acting on) too: https://modal.cx/blog/sovereign-mobile-stack/
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@bert_hubert fully agree. Btw are you going to the ibestuur conference? It might be nice to see what's been happening in the realm of MijnBureau and DAWO.
@Gina no - I assume all is great with MijnBureau and DAWO. The problem is that no one wants to deploy anything, no matter how great the solutions are.
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I'm glad that we're finally realizing that we need open source alternatives for the desktop and our apps, but can we also focus on mobile devices now?
@Gina Yes! Still looking forward to the day when I can install a Linux or BSD distro on *any* phone without any hassle
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@Gina no - I assume all is great with MijnBureau and DAWO. The problem is that no one wants to deploy anything, no matter how great the solutions are.
@bert_hubert @Gina "Deploy it or the won't come"... sounds like a Bert blog post title

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I'm glad that we're finally realizing that we need open source alternatives for the desktop and our apps, but can we also focus on mobile devices now?
@Gina Government should simply stop creating iOS and Android apps and only create PWAs. Additionally, make a list of devices/OS combinations that do not undermine Dutch sovereignty. And, like @bert_hubert deploy, deploy, deploy. And cancel the slm-mga aka slm-maga
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I'm glad that we're finally realizing that we need open source alternatives for the desktop and our apps, but can we also focus on mobile devices now?
@Gina There are thankfully mobile options already. With GrapheneOS - you can even run a "closed off" google services api - to get chromecast working.
If you can do without chromecast - e/OS (with locked bootloader)- means netflix, banking apps etc. works fine.
Of all the apps I have tried only McDonalds app won't work on any of them
Jolla afaik runs the same - even though its not even Android. -
@Gina no - I assume all is great with MijnBureau and DAWO. The problem is that no one wants to deploy anything, no matter how great the solutions are.
@bert_hubert @Gina "no one get fired for using [insert big tech]"
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I'm glad that we're finally realizing that we need open source alternatives for the desktop and our apps, but can we also focus on mobile devices now?
It's ridiculous that we basically have two mobile 'options', both with restrictive, proprietary app stores (see also https://keepandroidopen.org/).
If Europe values digital sovereignty, then it needs to invest more in open hardware, open source OS's, and alternative app stores.

@Fairphone
@jolla
@LineageOS
@sailfishosnews
@ubports
@GrapheneOS
@postmarketOS
@e_mydata
@fdroidorg
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It's ridiculous that we basically have two mobile 'options', both with restrictive, proprietary app stores (see also https://keepandroidopen.org/).
If Europe values digital sovereignty, then it needs to invest more in open hardware, open source OS's, and alternative app stores.

@Fairphone
@jolla
@LineageOS
@sailfishosnews
@ubports
@GrapheneOS
@postmarketOS
@e_mydata
@fdroidorg
@IzzyOnDroidPaging @EC_DIGIT and @EUCommission

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@bert_hubert @Gina "no one get fired for using [insert big tech]"
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Paging @EC_DIGIT and @EUCommission

There was a public consultation about open source recently - that means there may be an update in the EU open source strategy soon? Probably they are analysing results nowβ¦
https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/news/commission-opens-call-evidence-open-source-digital-ecosystemsPS also follow @HennaVirkkunen for this kind of thing