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  3. You're probably seeing a lot of messages like this one in your feed today, but it's important to me to pile on.

You're probably seeing a lot of messages like this one in your feed today, but it's important to me to pile on.

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  • hakona@im.alstadheim.noH hakona@im.alstadheim.no

    @dexternemrod I'm employing something called a "rhetorical question" . Check Wikipedia, please do *not* google it.

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    @hakona

    We can now start a discussion to find out if this is really a rethorical question or not. But thank you for your attempt to educate me.

    Just to have it said: I found an alternative for google that suits my needs and is ethical enough for me (not sure if it reaches 100%).

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    • mikeolson@mastodon.socialM mikeolson@mastodon.social

      You're probably seeing a lot of messages like this one in your feed today, but it's important to me to pile on.

      Google Search has been climbing the pile of enshittification for some years now. The new policy announced at I/O, to present search results from a bot that digests web content (and hallucinates) rather than to direct traffic to the sites that create and host content, is the latest large lump to appear.

      Remember "Don't be evil?" Hah! Good days, good days.

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      @mikeolson

      "Don't be evil" was never real, they have always been nothing but a dealer giving away their product to get people hooked--only to begin cutting it with poison.

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      • kitkat_blue@mastodon.socialK kitkat_blue@mastodon.social

        @mikeolson

        "Don't be evil" was never real, they have always been nothing but a dealer giving away their product to get people hooked--only to begin cutting it with poison.

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        @kitkat_blue @mikeolson It *might* have been real long ago, but the incontrovertible cutoff point was buying doubleclick and not burning it to the ground.

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        • mikeolson@mastodon.socialM mikeolson@mastodon.social

          You're probably seeing a lot of messages like this one in your feed today, but it's important to me to pile on.

          Google Search has been climbing the pile of enshittification for some years now. The new policy announced at I/O, to present search results from a bot that digests web content (and hallucinates) rather than to direct traffic to the sites that create and host content, is the latest large lump to appear.

          Remember "Don't be evil?" Hah! Good days, good days.

          1/2

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          @mikeolson

          A decentrilsed search engine. No AI, no tracking. No advertising. No javascript of any kind. Never pay for it. Anyone can setup their own "branch" and contribute. Why does this sound so much like the #Fediverse? I could use some help with the system I've building for over a year and with corporations selling us out, we can band together to take the internet back.


          This is what the internet was BEFORE the corprite take over.

          This is #TidySearch https://search.mpaq.org

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          • jeridansky@sfba.socialJ jeridansky@sfba.social

            @mikeolson I was paying for Kagi, and I liked it a lot. But then it decided to partner with Brave, which has an odious CEO (a "famous homophobe" to quote one person) and refused to respond meaningfully to those of us upset by this. So I cancelled my subscription. Some discussion here:
            https://hachyderm.io/@inthehands/111707582903886811

            Kagi's also really into AI and I am definitely not.

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            @jeridansky @mikeolson I agree this is important. I’ve found I can keep the AI away on Kagi but I am troubled by partnering with homophobes and also continuing to do business in Russia.

            While “more ethical than Google” has been good enough for me so far, I would love to pay for a better alternative. What do you use?

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            • C chazh@mastodon.social

              @jeridansky @mikeolson I agree this is important. I’ve found I can keep the AI away on Kagi but I am troubled by partnering with homophobes and also continuing to do business in Russia.

              While “more ethical than Google” has been good enough for me so far, I would love to pay for a better alternative. What do you use?

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              @chazh For now I'm using https://noai.duckduckgo.com. I've seen others that I like but they sadly seem to be less comprehensive.

              I would gladly pay for a good alternative that isn't as ethically troublesome as Kagi.

              @mikeolson

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              • jeridansky@sfba.socialJ jeridansky@sfba.social

                @chazh For now I'm using https://noai.duckduckgo.com. I've seen others that I like but they sadly seem to be less comprehensive.

                I would gladly pay for a good alternative that isn't as ethically troublesome as Kagi.

                @mikeolson

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                @jeridansky @mikeolson Mm. I haven’t been impressed with them in the past but I should give them another look.

                I hate it though, Kagi’s actually good, if only they gave a damn about ethics I would have been recommending them everywhere.

                Well perhaps the new google news will inspire some real competition in future years.

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                • C chazh@mastodon.social

                  @jeridansky @mikeolson Mm. I haven’t been impressed with them in the past but I should give them another look.

                  I hate it though, Kagi’s actually good, if only they gave a damn about ethics I would have been recommending them everywhere.

                  Well perhaps the new google news will inspire some real competition in future years.

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                  @chazh I see that @parismarx is using Qwant; I'm going to give that one another look. https://disconnect.blog/google-is-its-own-worst-enemy/

                  @mikeolson

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                  • jeridansky@sfba.socialJ jeridansky@sfba.social

                    @chazh For now I'm using https://noai.duckduckgo.com. I've seen others that I like but they sadly seem to be less comprehensive.

                    I would gladly pay for a good alternative that isn't as ethically troublesome as Kagi.

                    @mikeolson

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                    @jeridansky @chazh @mikeolson
                    I'm also on Duckduckgo, via Waterfox on the PC and their browser app on Android. I find their results good, you can tell their AI to go away and it stays gone (except on the Tor browser where each session needs it setting at the beginning).Only problem is they have no "-" keyword setting so can't exclude things.

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