Pedantic pet peeve: Trump is not Vance's "boss".
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Pedantic pet peeve: Trump is not Vance's "boss". The VP is a separate constitutional office with (a small number of) specific duties (in both the executive and legislative branches) that the president can't direct except as suggestions. The president also can't fire the VP.
And this has even been demonstrated with Trump's previous VP, who, you may recall, defied Trump's demand that he not certify the election on January 6.
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Pedantic pet peeve: Trump is not Vance's "boss". The VP is a separate constitutional office with (a small number of) specific duties (in both the executive and legislative branches) that the president can't direct except as suggestions. The president also can't fire the VP.
@mattblaze Yes and no. Yes, vice president is a constitutional office. But the constitutionally assigned duties are very limited and often unsatisfying, hence John Nance Garner's comments (https://briscoecenter.org/about/news/john-nance-garner-on-the-vice-presidency-in-search-of-the-proverbial-bucket/). But recent presidents have assigned other duties to their VPs, and in that sense Trump is Vance's boss, though as you note Vance can't be fired.
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Pedantic pet peeve: Trump is not Vance's "boss". The VP is a separate constitutional office with (a small number of) specific duties (in both the executive and legislative branches) that the president can't direct except as suggestions. The president also can't fire the VP.
@mattblaze I'm rusty on my US history. Didn't VP used to be the runner up to the presidential race? That seems like it was planned as a (small) mitigation to first past the post voting.
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@mattblaze Yes and no. Yes, vice president is a constitutional office. But the constitutionally assigned duties are very limited and often unsatisfying, hence John Nance Garner's comments (https://briscoecenter.org/about/news/john-nance-garner-on-the-vice-presidency-in-search-of-the-proverbial-bucket/). But recent presidents have assigned other duties to their VPs, and in that sense Trump is Vance's boss, though as you note Vance can't be fired.
@SteveBellovin It's kind of a perfect slacker job. Nice house, secret service protection, VIP travel, can sleep until noon most days unless there's a tie in the Senate
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Pedantic pet peeve: Trump is not Vance's "boss". The VP is a separate constitutional office with (a small number of) specific duties (in both the executive and legislative branches) that the president can't direct except as suggestions. The president also can't fire the VP.
@mattblaze part of JDs duties apparently is to do his best impersonation of that little guy that sits by Jabba & laughs at everything he says.
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@SteveBellovin It's kind of a perfect slacker job. Nice house, secret service protection, VIP travel, can sleep until noon most days unless there's a tie in the Senate
@mattblaze See 18 U.S.C. §3056(a): "(a) Under the direction of the Secretary of Homeland Security, the United States Secret Service is authorized to protect the following persons:
(1) The President, the Vice President (or other officer next in the order of succession to the Office of President), the President-elect, and the Vice President-elect." Can the president (or rather, the Secretary at POTUS's direction) withdraw such protection? The statute says "is authorized to", not "shall". -
@SteveBellovin It's kind of a perfect slacker job. Nice house, secret service protection, VIP travel, can sleep until noon most days unless there's a tie in the Senate
@mattblaze @SteveBellovin A well paid slacker job.
In this case, though, I’m guessing the VP IS at the whim of the president. Laws and precedent take no place in that admin.
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@mattblaze @SteveBellovin A well paid slacker job.
In this case, though, I’m guessing the VP IS at the whim of the president. Laws and precedent take no place in that admin.
@CStamp @SteveBellovin Ask Pence...
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Pedantic pet peeve: Trump is not Vance's "boss". The VP is a separate constitutional office with (a small number of) specific duties (in both the executive and legislative branches) that the president can't direct except as suggestions. The president also can't fire the VP.
so no real boss, very few duties, free house. sounds perfect for a slacker with an upholstery fetish. a "cushy" job would be quite the turn-on...
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@SteveBellovin It's kind of a perfect slacker job. Nice house, secret service protection, VIP travel, can sleep until noon most days unless there's a tie in the Senate
@mattblaze @SteveBellovin I mean, living at the Naval Observatory, I’d be up all night!
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@mattblaze @SteveBellovin I mean, living at the Naval Observatory, I’d be up all night!
@grwster @mattblaze There's too much light pollution in the DC area for good night sky viewing. Trust me—I've tried…
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@mattblaze See 18 U.S.C. §3056(a): "(a) Under the direction of the Secretary of Homeland Security, the United States Secret Service is authorized to protect the following persons:
(1) The President, the Vice President (or other officer next in the order of succession to the Office of President), the President-elect, and the Vice President-elect." Can the president (or rather, the Secretary at POTUS's direction) withdraw such protection? The statute says "is authorized to", not "shall".@SteveBellovin Hmmm. But interestingly, the President and VP can't decline protection (though other protectees can).
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@mattblaze @SteveBellovin I mean, living at the Naval Observatory, I’d be up all night!
@grwster @SteveBellovin And access to very accurate time.
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@CStamp @SteveBellovin Ask Pence...
@mattblaze @SteveBellovin Yeah, the one moment he showed a spine and did what was right. Which could've cost him his life after the president blasted him, enraging the base who stormed the WH, with a hanging rope with his name. I'm sure the new guy has that in his mind with his actions.
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Pedantic pet peeve: Trump is not Vance's "boss". The VP is a separate constitutional office with (a small number of) specific duties (in both the executive and legislative branches) that the president can't direct except as suggestions. The president also can't fire the VP.
Has any president even tried to fire his VP in-office?
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Pedantic pet peeve: Trump is not Vance's "boss". The VP is a separate constitutional office with (a small number of) specific duties (in both the executive and legislative branches) that the president can't direct except as suggestions. The president also can't fire the VP.
@mattblaze Just in case he makes it all the way to the end of term, Vance wants the endorsement.
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Has any president even tried to fire his VP in-office?
Spiro Agnew resigned due to being felonious. Does that count? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiro_Agnew
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Spiro Agnew resigned due to being felonious. Does that count? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiro_Agnew
No, I knew about that one, and presidents that have corruptly fired or tried to fire people in the cabinet, like Attorneys General (which the president definitely has the right to do, though it's a bad idea in that case).
Nixon basically fired himself to promote Ford to the presidency and give himself a more-or-less graceful exit from the Watergate scandal, but that's not it either
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