#MarALago
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@benroyce @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho Sure, but that's easy for this privileged middle class white guy to say. If ICE is deployed to the polls, people who don't look white enough *will* be hauled off and jailed for weeks or months without charge (possibly even disappeared entirely) -- just like they're already doing to folks on the streets. I hope that won't scare off too many folks but it's hard for me to sit here and tell people with families to worry about to just ignore that risk.
@admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho
i'd be careful with that statement. you're saying nonwhite folks have no fight in them. of course the stakes are higher for oppressed groups, but time and time again we see the oppressed have more backbone and fight in them than the middle class whites who are fine with fascism
it's not that the white middle class douchebag is ok with a fight. it's more like the white middle class douchebag won't show up and won't fight and won't vote
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@painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @benroyce one misconception some people have is the if they register to vote, then they will also added to the jury duty list, but in many states it seems to be enough to get a driving license to be added to the possible jury duty list.
@aho @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer
jury duty is a civic obligation. if someone is put off because they don't want to do jury duty this is a further definition of an entitled loser who is fine with fascism
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@aho @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer
jury duty is a civic obligation. if someone is put off because they don't want to do jury duty this is a further definition of an entitled loser who is fine with fascism
@benroyce @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer I'm not a believer of jury or bonds, replace the jury with "junior" judges and they know the laws better than someone from the street and why let someone pay to get out of jail (for a while at least), either the court think there is no ground to hold the person or the person should held, not something in between.
but that is a completely different topic...
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@benroyce @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer I'm not a believer of jury or bonds, replace the jury with "junior" judges and they know the laws better than someone from the street and why let someone pay to get out of jail (for a while at least), either the court think there is no ground to hold the person or the person should held, not something in between.
but that is a completely different topic...
@aho @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer
you can bribe a judge. and over a lifetime the judge will start making decisions on an agenda rather than the individual merits of an individual case
so, it's not possible for me to disagree with you more, and quite heavily. i think this is a terrible statement you're making. it has to be juries
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@admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho
they can send ICE to block polling stations
we show up anyway
the idea MAGA exhibits menace and we just give in and give up is ridiculous
btw, i'm not saying that is your sentiment, i'm just riffing on your comment for those reading out there who are spineless (not you)
ICE at the polls:
1. meek weak americans stay home
2. we fucking shove the goons aside
which scenario is the real left?
which scenario is willing submission to fascism?
@benroyce @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho I don't think being afraid of people who can disappear you makes you meek and weak.
Also, I really don't think it's a good idea to try to push heavily armed trigger-happy goons around. They'll just kill you.
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@benroyce @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho I don't think being afraid of people who can disappear you makes you meek and weak.
Also, I really don't think it's a good idea to try to push heavily armed trigger-happy goons around. They'll just kill you.
@mikelovesbikes @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho
they're going to kill us anyway
do you want to go out on your terms or their terms?
if all of us depend on someone else to show up and fix things, no one is going to fix anything. just looking at each other and expecting them to act
it depends on us
and we're either going to act now, with the potential for death, or we're going to act later, with a greater potential for death
those are our only choices
and we have to choose
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@mikelovesbikes @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho
they're going to kill us anyway
do you want to go out on your terms or their terms?
if all of us depend on someone else to show up and fix things, no one is going to fix anything. just looking at each other and expecting them to act
it depends on us
and we're either going to act now, with the potential for death, or we're going to act later, with a greater potential for death
those are our only choices
and we have to choose
@benroyce @mikelovesbikes @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho just act now with little acts of disobedience, easy stuff. For example, taking pictures of unmasked ice agents for identification for trial later.
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@benroyce @mikelovesbikes @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho just act now with little acts of disobedience, easy stuff. For example, taking pictures of unmasked ice agents for identification for trial later.
@macacator @mikelovesbikes @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho
but there won't ever be a trial later if we don't vote
we have to #vote
any rationale for not voting is simply self-subjugation to #fascism out of entitlement ("it doesn't affect me") or mindless cynicism and learned helplessness: personal weakness
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#Trump's Plutocrat-Bigot-Child Rapist power nexus
Now in a #Democrat ruled state district in #MAGA #Florida
"They'll steal the vote"
You'll do #prematureCapitulation and not vote?
"Both sides the same"
You're an idiot fine with MAGA #fascism?
"But my obsessive single issue"
You're fine with destroying #transRights, #womensRights, #immigrantRights, etc in #ToxicIdealism?
#Primaries and November
#Democrats suck but we can freeze Trump's agenda
@benroyce The chance that any Democrat will vote for a left-leaning legislation than any GOP member. Therefore, voting for a Democrat, even if they aren't left-leaning, creates a more left-leaning legislature.
Voting in primaries is how you pick your candidate, once at the general, vote Democratic, regardless of issues you may have with that candidate. We can resolve those over time at the next election.
Vote, vote, vote, vote!
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@macacator @mikelovesbikes @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho
but there won't ever be a trial later if we don't vote
we have to #vote
any rationale for not voting is simply self-subjugation to #fascism out of entitlement ("it doesn't affect me") or mindless cynicism and learned helplessness: personal weakness
@benroyce @mikelovesbikes @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho oh absolutely go vote, but why waste the opportunity to document these people while they're unmasked?
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@benroyce The chance that any Democrat will vote for a left-leaning legislation than any GOP member. Therefore, voting for a Democrat, even if they aren't left-leaning, creates a more left-leaning legislature.
Voting in primaries is how you pick your candidate, once at the general, vote Democratic, regardless of issues you may have with that candidate. We can resolve those over time at the next election.
Vote, vote, vote, vote!
i'm trying to think of a sentiment that would disagree with you
and i see only the fucking #toxicidealism losers who are fine with rising #fascism: they only make excuses to do nothing
or the right wing trolls cosplaying left to work a helplessness #psyop on idiots who call themselves left, but aren't really
because their primary concern is their high holy sense of self-regard: to sit things out and judge from an ivory tower
while their world goes to hell
they don't care
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i'm trying to think of a sentiment that would disagree with you
and i see only the fucking #toxicidealism losers who are fine with rising #fascism: they only make excuses to do nothing
or the right wing trolls cosplaying left to work a helplessness #psyop on idiots who call themselves left, but aren't really
because their primary concern is their high holy sense of self-regard: to sit things out and judge from an ivory tower
while their world goes to hell
they don't care
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that model has been established:
corporate centrist dems fought him in the #primaries. people showed up anyways
then they positioned cuomo in the general. people showed up anyways
now we have mamdani
BECAUSE PEOPLE FUCKING VOTED
so the model?
fucking show up and #vote! get in real leftists! especially the #primaries
people whining that centrist dems suck doesn't mean shit. it's a red herring. it's a self-defeating whine
ignore centrists and replace them
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@benroyce @mikelovesbikes @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho oh absolutely go vote, but why waste the opportunity to document these people while they're unmasked?
@macacator @mikelovesbikes @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho
dopes i love you. i'm not arguing with you at all. i support what you're saying 1,000%. i'm just monomaniacally focused on voting so i'm hijacking your comment. not out of disagreement, just out of my self-consuming concern
we doth both
i feel you
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@macacator @mikelovesbikes @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho
dopes i love you. i'm not arguing with you at all. i support what you're saying 1,000%. i'm just monomaniacally focused on voting so i'm hijacking your comment. not out of disagreement, just out of my self-consuming concern
we doth both
i feel you
@benroyce @mikelovesbikes @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho yes, but we have at least 7 months until November. So why wait until then when we have plenty of time for some shenanigans?
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@benroyce @mikelovesbikes @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho yes, but we have at least 7 months until November. So why wait until then when we have plenty of time for some shenanigans?
@macacator @mikelovesbikes @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho
we've already had some, but we have some more: #primaries
that is where we can make a serious difference by getting real left #candidates
and yet primary turn out is always abysmal
so anyone who says they are on the left and doesn't show up in the primaries: i doubt their authenticity
so much energy whining online, and not voting in the primaries, is gobsmackingly stupid
but also yes: we do shenanigans too as you say
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@macacator @mikelovesbikes @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho
we've already had some, but we have some more: #primaries
that is where we can make a serious difference by getting real left #candidates
and yet primary turn out is always abysmal
so anyone who says they are on the left and doesn't show up in the primaries: i doubt their authenticity
so much energy whining online, and not voting in the primaries, is gobsmackingly stupid
but also yes: we do shenanigans too as you say
@benroyce @macacator @mikelovesbikes @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho
I'm not from there, but isn't the Primary a late stage in the process?
Standing up potentials as candidates for selection in a Primary is where you get suitable people as candidates, since unsuitable people will be already in the queue, clutching the ticket price.But I know little of the region.
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@benroyce @macacator @mikelovesbikes @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho
I'm not from there, but isn't the Primary a late stage in the process?
Standing up potentials as candidates for selection in a Primary is where you get suitable people as candidates, since unsuitable people will be already in the queue, clutching the ticket price.But I know little of the region.
@Photo55 @macacator @mikelovesbikes @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho
well yeah, ideally we have a system for getting solid left candidates up, but regardless, in any primary there are lefter and righter candidates
and the choice matters
and not enough make the choice
then people complain it's all centrists
well: did you show up in the primaries, useless whiner?
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that model has been established:
corporate centrist dems fought him in the #primaries. people showed up anyways
then they positioned cuomo in the general. people showed up anyways
now we have mamdani
BECAUSE PEOPLE FUCKING VOTED
so the model?
fucking show up and #vote! get in real leftists! especially the #primaries
people whining that centrist dems suck doesn't mean shit. it's a red herring. it's a self-defeating whine
ignore centrists and replace them
@benroyce @RegGuy so much of this is GOTV.
Pointing to AOC or Mamdani or etc hides their campaign’s effort & the complex of processes they successfully ran. We can’t just agree ‘gotta vote’ - that neglects how hard it is get voters out. And how well they executed. Heck, fam in midtown Brooklyn got canvassed 3x this year, and couldn’t recall the last time anyone knocked on their door.
Pointing to Mamdani glosses by how easily media ownership and money can and does crush weaker campaigns. Cori Bush and Omar and Sanders and Dean’s scream and etc…
I grew up in a union town pre-Reagan. Blue county in a red state. And we had pro leaders, call trees, flyers, rallies, pot lucks, letter-writing, sign teams, etc. then calls day-of, aunties driving folks to polls, a known roster per precinct, and then a fun party after. These orgs were union. When unions got nuked by RightToWork and closures/offshoring, the area’s become reddish-purple. Hell, religious wedges mean even the ~15% in unions tend red. Fucking nightmarish.
