#MarALago

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@aho @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer

jury duty is a civic obligation. if someone is put off because they don't want to do jury duty this is a further definition of an entitled loser who is fine with fascism

[aho@mastodon.social]

@benroyce @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer I'm not a believer of jury or bonds, replace the jury with "junior" judges and they know the laws better than someone from the street and why let someone pay to get out of jail (for a while at least), either the court think there is no ground to hold the person or the person should held, not something in between.

but that is a completely different topic...

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@aho @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer

you can bribe a judge. and over a lifetime the judge will start making decisions on an agenda rather than the individual merits of an individual case

so, it's not possible for me to disagree with you more, and quite heavily. i think this is a terrible statement you're making. it has to be juries

[mikelovesbikes@hear-me.social]

@benroyce @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho I don't think being afraid of people who can disappear you makes you meek and weak.

Also, I really don't think it's a good idea to try to push heavily armed trigger-happy goons around. They'll just kill you.

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@mikelovesbikes @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho

they're going to kill us anyway

do you want to go out on your terms or their terms?

if all of us depend on someone else to show up and fix things, no one is going to fix anything. just looking at each other and expecting them to act

it depends on us

and we're either going to act now, with the potential for death, or we're going to act later, with a greater potential for death

those are our only choices

and we have to choose

[macacator@mastodon.social]

@benroyce @mikelovesbikes @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho just act now with little acts of disobedience, easy stuff. For example, taking pictures of unmasked ice agents for identification for trial later.

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@macacator @mikelovesbikes @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho

but there won't ever be a trial later if we don't vote

we have to #vote

any rationale for not voting is simply self-subjugation to #fascism out of entitlement ("it doesn't affect me") or mindless cynicism and learned helplessness: personal weakness

[regguy@mstdn.social]

@benroyce The chance that any Democrat will vote for a left-leaning legislation than any GOP member. Therefore, voting for a Democrat, even if they aren't left-leaning, creates a more left-leaning legislature.

Voting in primaries is how you pick your candidate, once at the general, vote Democratic, regardless of issues you may have with that candidate. We can resolve those over time at the next election.

Vote, vote, vote, vote!

#Vote #Democratic #VoteBlue

[macacator@mastodon.social]

@benroyce @mikelovesbikes @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho oh absolutely go vote, but why waste the opportunity to document these people while they're unmasked?

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@RegGuy

i'm trying to think of a sentiment that would disagree with you

and i see only the fucking #toxicidealism losers who are fine with rising #fascism: they only make excuses to do nothing

or the right wing trolls cosplaying left to work a helplessness #psyop on idiots who call themselves left, but aren't really

because their primary concern is their high holy sense of self-regard: to sit things out and judge from an ivory tower

while their world goes to hell

they don't care

#vote

[cascheranno@hachyderm.io]

@benroyce @RegGuy all (hand waves) *THIS*, but I also stare at this concept like a fucking mate-in-five chess puzzle. I would LOVE to find a way to fuck with a corporate Dem incumbent without hurting progressive ideals and goals.

[cascheranno@hachyderm.io]

@benroyce @RegGuy my best answer so far is something union-ish to counter the sense-of-community glue churches give. GOTV like unions and churches do.

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@cascheranno @RegGuy

that model has been established:

#mamdani

corporate centrist dems fought him in the #primaries. people showed up anyways

then they positioned cuomo in the general. people showed up anyways

now we have mamdani

BECAUSE PEOPLE FUCKING VOTED

so the model?

fucking show up and #vote! get in real leftists! especially the #primaries

people whining that centrist dems suck doesn't mean shit. it's a red herring. it's a self-defeating whine

ignore centrists and replace them

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@macacator @mikelovesbikes @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho

dopes i love you. i'm not arguing with you at all. i support what you're saying 1,000%. i'm just monomaniacally focused on voting so i'm hijacking your comment. not out of disagreement, just out of my self-consuming concern

we doth both

i feel you

[macacator@mastodon.social]

@benroyce @mikelovesbikes @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho yes, but we have at least 7 months until November. So why wait until then when we have plenty of time for some shenanigans?

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@macacator @mikelovesbikes @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho

we've already had some, but we have some more: #primaries

that is where we can make a serious difference by getting real left #candidates

and yet primary turn out is always abysmal

so anyone who says they are on the left and doesn't show up in the primaries: i doubt their authenticity

so much energy whining online, and not voting in the primaries, is gobsmackingly stupid

but also yes: we do shenanigans too as you say

[photo55@mastodon.social]

@benroyce @macacator @mikelovesbikes @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho
I'm not from there, but isn't the Primary a late stage in the process?
Standing up potentials as candidates for selection in a Primary is where you get suitable people as candidates, since unsuitable people will be already in the queue, clutching the ticket price.

But I know little of the region.

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@Photo55 @macacator @mikelovesbikes @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho

well yeah, ideally we have a system for getting solid left candidates up, but regardless, in any primary there are lefter and righter candidates

and the choice matters

and not enough make the choice

then people complain it's all centrists

well: did you show up in the primaries, useless whiner?

[cascheranno@hachyderm.io]

@benroyce @RegGuy so much of this is GOTV.

Pointing to AOC or Mamdani or etc hides their campaign’s effort & the complex of processes they successfully ran. We can’t just agree ‘gotta vote’ - that neglects how hard it is get voters out. And how well they executed. Heck, fam in midtown Brooklyn got canvassed 3x this year, and couldn’t recall the last time anyone knocked on their door.

Pointing to Mamdani glosses by how easily media ownership and money can and does crush weaker campaigns. Cori Bush and Omar and Sanders and Dean’s scream and etc…

I grew up in a union town pre-Reagan. Blue county in a red state. And we had pro leaders, call trees, flyers, rallies, pot lucks, letter-writing, sign teams, etc. then calls day-of, aunties driving folks to polls, a known roster per precinct, and then a fun party after. These orgs were union. When unions got nuked by RightToWork and closures/offshoring, the area’s become reddish-purple. Hell, religious wedges mean even the ~15% in unions tend red. Fucking nightmarish.

[ox1de@cyberplace.social]

@benroyce @Photo55 @macacator @mikelovesbikes @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho They all suck ass. I’m not a fan of any party or popular ideology but will vote for the least evil douche.

Living in a state where u don’t have to be affiliated with a party to vote in primaries is way cool.