It's kind of amazing how many veteran Linux greyhairs I've seen, downstream of the age-check-in-systemd decision, saying well I guess I need to get comfortable with a BSD now.

[technomancy@hey.hagelb.org]

@mhoye waiting on the edge of my seat here to see whether freebsd or openbsd will be the first to finalize their anti-LLM policy to help me make up my mind between the two

[wordshaper@weatherishappening.network]

@mhoye That's the interesting thing about being a greyhair in this industry. You've used enough different things to know they're all kinda crap and any kind of emotional buy-in to a piece of software isn't worth it because they all kinda suck in the end.

Plus, y'know, no matter how annoying switching might be, at least you're not using AIX so it could be worse.

[miss_rodent@girlcock.club]

@mhoye It's not too hard of a switch to make, and most of us who've been around long enough to remember when using linux basically required some degree of tinkering and futzing to get it working already have the skillset to move elsewhere without much issue.
It's the people who don't have the sort of technical skillset to jump ship to a BSD or distro without age/ID-checks that are really in trouble; I already know that *I* can move to a non-compliant system without much issue.

[prw@mastodon.sdf.org]

@mhoye It is stirring me to finally get off my ass about Plan 9.

[be@floss.social]

@technomancy @mhoye It's so sad that, as far as I am aware, only one programming language has one, and it can only do that because it's BDFL run.

[technomancy@hey.hagelb.org]

@be @mhoye six entries currently on https://noai.starlightnet.work/list.html#:~:text=Languages (but four of them are lisps)

[yvan@toot.ale.gd]

@mhoye wait... what... I had assumed that was just some kinda dumb joke.

reaches for the FreeBSD ISO he downloaded last month

Not entirely joking, "modern Linux " things like systemd is one reason I'm already looking at shifting some things to a BSD.

(Debian user since 1997, me...)

[david_chisnall@infosec.exchange]

@mhoye

There’s no such thing as 30 years of RedHat muscle memory. I used RedHat quite a lot from the late ‘90s until about 20 years ago. I had to use Fedora again about for years ago and nothing I remembered about administering the system still worked. In contrast, 90% of the things I learned 25 years ago the first time I used FreeBSD still work (though they aren’t always the best way of doing things anymore).

[paul@notnull.space]

@mhoye I still don't see how something like this could possibly be made to work.

Windows, Mac, fine - stop a service running and the whole thing crashes, but open source OSes, almost by definition, are about user choice. Don't want something running in the background? Fine turn it off, no bother.

If age verification is required, but likely is going to be on device, then we'll just make a service that says "Yes, over 18" when asked.
If age verification requires a third party cloud service, then well done they've just broken the internet.

[sirwumpus@tilde.zone]

@mhoye

Come to BSD. We have cookies.

[owen@mastodon.transneptune.net]

@mhoye Here we are, at the rebirth of actually needing autotools

[sen@hachyderm.io]

@mhoye 33-34 years of Linux here, installed a BSD box into my "production" (for senCloud anyways) network for the first time a few days ago. Loving it so far, feels like Linux used to (in a good way).

[mhoye@cosocial.ca]

@paul Age checks are about letting major platforms escape the costs of moderation, whether or not it the technology works has nothing to do with anything.

[paul@notnull.space]

@mhoye yep, absolutely. It's not about keeping kids safe, it's about giving BigTech "well they should only be using it if they're the right age" get out clause.

[owen@mastodon.transneptune.net]

@sen Which BSD did you land on?

[airshipper@cloudisland.nz]

@mhoye we all wanted to use bsd all along it was just more convenient to use debian

[foolishowl@social.coop]

@miss_rodent @mhoye I've kept struggling with how to express it, but I feel like part of the problem has been the pretense that everyone should be their own sysadmin, and that it should be easy to do, so there was a lot of work done to make it *look* easy, which actually made it harder.

[sen@hachyderm.io]

@owen FreeBSD, because of @gushi.

[bentsukun@mastodon.bsd.cafe]

@wordshaper @mhoye I feel vindicated for having stayed with #NetBSD for the last 15+ years.

[miss_rodent@girlcock.club]

@foolishowl @mhoye If sysadministration were easy, it wouldn't be a reasonably-well-paying job with a pile of associated certifications.
Some of the things added to make life easier for non-sysadmin users have made it harder, especially if things you need to change are outside the scope of whatever convenient interface a distro comes with, or if it interacts strongly with the many-tentacled horror of systemd.
It's a skillset that no one has by default & not everyone can be expected to learn.