I had such an interesting call today with someone from @ethereumfoundation about funding the #opensource ecosystem.
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I had such an interesting call today with someone from @ethereumfoundation about funding the #opensource ecosystem.
Basically, connecting a blockchain based funding system to a Software Bill of Materials (SBOM) to fund not just the sexy top project, but also the underlying libraries. Aka when you donate to or pay for a project, it would automatically donate to its dependencies as well (like the random person in Nebraska).
What do we think, #fediverse?
@Gina blockchain no thanks
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@Gina @ethereumfoundation
My feeling is, "blockchain" strongly implies it's a grift, not above-board.@jannem @Gina @ethereumfoundation "blockchain" implies grifting. "Ethereum" essentially screams it from the rooftops.
Blockchain is one of those sorts of technologies that does in fact have some very interesting uses, but it's been so widely used for fraud that legitimate uses generally avoid admitting to it by name.
Look at people bending over backward to claim that git isn't blockchain, for example: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/46192377/why-is-git-not-considered-a-block-chain
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I had such an interesting call today with someone from @ethereumfoundation about funding the #opensource ecosystem.
Basically, connecting a blockchain based funding system to a Software Bill of Materials (SBOM) to fund not just the sexy top project, but also the underlying libraries. Aka when you donate to or pay for a project, it would automatically donate to its dependencies as well (like the random person in Nebraska).
What do we think, #fediverse?
@Gina @ethereumfoundation i stopped reading when I saw the word blockchain
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@pitrh omg, what a fucking work of art. It's like the original xkcd had a baby with the old org chart meme:
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@becomethewaifu @jannem @Gina I'm familiar with that argument--that "Blockchain" doesn't count unless it's "distributed"--and counter that this is an example of *exactly* the kind of NO WAIT THIS ISN'T BLOCKCHAIN! NOT REALLY! PLEASE DON'T WALK AWAY! that I'm talking about.
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I had such an interesting call today with someone from @ethereumfoundation about funding the #opensource ecosystem.
Basically, connecting a blockchain based funding system to a Software Bill of Materials (SBOM) to fund not just the sexy top project, but also the underlying libraries. Aka when you donate to or pay for a project, it would automatically donate to its dependencies as well (like the random person in Nebraska).
What do we think, #fediverse?
@Gina @ethereumfoundation i cant find the reference any more, but this sounds like something which i heard of a couple of years back. that was an overdesigned concept where people would pour money in one end and it would magically distribute it "fairly" by relevance.
such a system will never work, and it never needs a blockchain.
the blockchain people still seem desperate to find a applications and still seem to think that their magic would save the world. won't work.
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@Gina @ethereumfoundation i cant find the reference any more, but this sounds like something which i heard of a couple of years back. that was an overdesigned concept where people would pour money in one end and it would magically distribute it "fairly" by relevance.
such a system will never work, and it never needs a blockchain.
the blockchain people still seem desperate to find a applications and still seem to think that their magic would save the world. won't work.
@Gina @ethereumfoundation what does work is this: pay the devs who develop the software you rely on.
we do not have a problem of distributing funds more fairly, we habe a problem of funds.
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@Gina @ethereumfoundation what does work is this: pay the devs who develop the software you rely on.
we do not have a problem of distributing funds more fairly, we habe a problem of funds.
@Gina @ethereumfoundation the sexy top project should fund its dependencies
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@Gina Generally, the idea of a donation hitting a bill of materials so the underlying tools get funded seems like a good idea. Doing it through the blockchain feels like a scam.
@bryanredeagle @Gina yup, and there are existing projects that do it sans blockchain like https://thanks.dev
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@pitrh omg, what a fucking work of art. It's like the original xkcd had a baby with the old org chart meme:
@jimsalter
How have I never seen this before‽
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@projectmoon @ethereumfoundation I'm guessing because of the smart contract element and because it's cheaper.
I'm not sure, I'm in no way a blockchain expert. Also not sure how it would work with or without blockchain.
@Gina @projectmoon there is currently no problem that can be solved with a blockchain that can't be solved better and cheaper WITHOUT a blockchain (well, except facilitating money laundering and crime).
Of course the people behind Ethereum won't tell you that, but as we say in Italy that's like asking the innkeeper if their wine is any good.
Also, Ethereum is *extremely* sketchy (international crime level sketchy)
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@jimsalter
How have I never seen this before‽
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I had such an interesting call today with someone from @ethereumfoundation about funding the #opensource ecosystem.
Basically, connecting a blockchain based funding system to a Software Bill of Materials (SBOM) to fund not just the sexy top project, but also the underlying libraries. Aka when you donate to or pay for a project, it would automatically donate to its dependencies as well (like the random person in Nebraska).
What do we think, #fediverse?
@Gina @ethereumfoundation Every project that chooses blockchain as a solution has terrible taste or is a scam.
Every.
Single.
One.
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I had such an interesting call today with someone from @ethereumfoundation about funding the #opensource ecosystem.
Basically, connecting a blockchain based funding system to a Software Bill of Materials (SBOM) to fund not just the sexy top project, but also the underlying libraries. Aka when you donate to or pay for a project, it would automatically donate to its dependencies as well (like the random person in Nebraska).
What do we think, #fediverse?
I'm all for the developers at the bottom of the stack getting paid, but when you start talking "blockchain", like most people I'm already skeptical and wondering what flavor of crypto scam this is.
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@bryanredeagle @Gina yup, and there are existing projects that do it sans blockchain like https://thanks.dev
@CosmicHorror @bryanredeagle oh I didn't know this platform yet, thanks for sharing.
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@Gina@fosstodon.org @ethereumfoundation@mastodon.social don't know about the cost, but can't you just basically parse the dependency list and go hunting for liberapay accounts from the dep's readme? lol
@projectmoon @Gina @ethereumfoundation I'm reminded of this article I saw only yesterday: https://www.seangoedecke.com/gas-and-ralph/
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I had such an interesting call today with someone from @ethereumfoundation about funding the #opensource ecosystem.
Basically, connecting a blockchain based funding system to a Software Bill of Materials (SBOM) to fund not just the sexy top project, but also the underlying libraries. Aka when you donate to or pay for a project, it would automatically donate to its dependencies as well (like the random person in Nebraska).
What do we think, #fediverse?
@Gina @ethereumfoundation Ik denk meteen aan Rian van Rijbroek.
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I had such an interesting call today with someone from @ethereumfoundation about funding the #opensource ecosystem.
Basically, connecting a blockchain based funding system to a Software Bill of Materials (SBOM) to fund not just the sexy top project, but also the underlying libraries. Aka when you donate to or pay for a project, it would automatically donate to its dependencies as well (like the random person in Nebraska).
What do we think, #fediverse?
@Gina like many commenters I'm a bit sceptical of the crypto/blockchain part, but I like the idea in general! For funding to reach down to the underlying libraries too
This might even invert the logic of wanting to make an end-user project to get more funds/contributions: now libraries will get more support (that they deserve) when they serve as the support for multiple projects!
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@Gina@fosstodon.org @ethereumfoundation@mastodon.social don't know about the cost, but can't you just basically parse the dependency list and go hunting for liberapay accounts from the dep's readme? lol
@projectmoon @Gina @ethereumfoundation
Im not the one that spoke to OP, but broadly blockchains help in price discovery which can be applied to getting weights across a large dependency graph
for example check out deep.seer.pm where we're trying to distribute $350k across 98 repos and their 3,677 dependencies
there's a genuine need for low overhead in weights to SBOM, unless you prefer government consultants like deloitte deciding how valuable dependencies are?
