I had such an interesting call today with someone from @ethereumfoundation about funding the #opensource ecosystem.
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I had such an interesting call today with someone from @ethereumfoundation about funding the #opensource ecosystem.
Basically, connecting a blockchain based funding system to a Software Bill of Materials (SBOM) to fund not just the sexy top project, but also the underlying libraries. Aka when you donate to or pay for a project, it would automatically donate to its dependencies as well (like the random person in Nebraska).
What do we think, #fediverse?
@Gina @ethereumfoundation you lost me at blockchain.
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I had such an interesting call today with someone from @ethereumfoundation about funding the #opensource ecosystem.
Basically, connecting a blockchain based funding system to a Software Bill of Materials (SBOM) to fund not just the sexy top project, but also the underlying libraries. Aka when you donate to or pay for a project, it would automatically donate to its dependencies as well (like the random person in Nebraska).
What do we think, #fediverse?
@Gina @ethereumfoundation based on my knowledge of the history of music royalties, a well-meaning system won by a massive labor organizing effort, I am extremely skeptical of this idea being effective in practice. There are too many ways to game complicated systems like this and it ends up benefitting the people who have the resources to understand all the complicated pieces (in this case, coders)
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I had such an interesting call today with someone from @ethereumfoundation about funding the #opensource ecosystem.
Basically, connecting a blockchain based funding system to a Software Bill of Materials (SBOM) to fund not just the sexy top project, but also the underlying libraries. Aka when you donate to or pay for a project, it would automatically donate to its dependencies as well (like the random person in Nebraska).
What do we think, #fediverse?
@Gina @ethereumfoundation Sounds like a good use case for smart contracts. Theoretically it would allow anyone donating to a project to know how the funds get split. Practically, per transaction fees are extremely volatile, but apparently cheap now. Most people wouldn't know how to decipher a smart contact and even people who should know have been scammed in the past.
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I had such an interesting call today with someone from @ethereumfoundation about funding the #opensource ecosystem.
Basically, connecting a blockchain based funding system to a Software Bill of Materials (SBOM) to fund not just the sexy top project, but also the underlying libraries. Aka when you donate to or pay for a project, it would automatically donate to its dependencies as well (like the random person in Nebraska).
What do we think, #fediverse?
@Gina blockchain no thanks
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Doesn't paint Cloudflare as a raging behemoth destroying privacy, torturing innocents, and ruining everything at any costs so they can have complete control.\
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@Gina @ethereumfoundation
My feeling is, "blockchain" strongly implies it's a grift, not above-board.@jannem @Gina @ethereumfoundation "blockchain" implies grifting. "Ethereum" essentially screams it from the rooftops.
Blockchain is one of those sorts of technologies that does in fact have some very interesting uses, but it's been so widely used for fraud that legitimate uses generally avoid admitting to it by name.
Look at people bending over backward to claim that git isn't blockchain, for example: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/46192377/why-is-git-not-considered-a-block-chain
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I had such an interesting call today with someone from @ethereumfoundation about funding the #opensource ecosystem.
Basically, connecting a blockchain based funding system to a Software Bill of Materials (SBOM) to fund not just the sexy top project, but also the underlying libraries. Aka when you donate to or pay for a project, it would automatically donate to its dependencies as well (like the random person in Nebraska).
What do we think, #fediverse?
@Gina @ethereumfoundation i stopped reading when I saw the word blockchain
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@pitrh omg, what a fucking work of art. It's like the original xkcd had a baby with the old org chart meme:
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@becomethewaifu @jannem @Gina I'm familiar with that argument--that "Blockchain" doesn't count unless it's "distributed"--and counter that this is an example of *exactly* the kind of NO WAIT THIS ISN'T BLOCKCHAIN! NOT REALLY! PLEASE DON'T WALK AWAY! that I'm talking about.
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I had such an interesting call today with someone from @ethereumfoundation about funding the #opensource ecosystem.
Basically, connecting a blockchain based funding system to a Software Bill of Materials (SBOM) to fund not just the sexy top project, but also the underlying libraries. Aka when you donate to or pay for a project, it would automatically donate to its dependencies as well (like the random person in Nebraska).
What do we think, #fediverse?
@Gina @ethereumfoundation i cant find the reference any more, but this sounds like something which i heard of a couple of years back. that was an overdesigned concept where people would pour money in one end and it would magically distribute it "fairly" by relevance.
such a system will never work, and it never needs a blockchain.
the blockchain people still seem desperate to find a applications and still seem to think that their magic would save the world. won't work.
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@Gina @ethereumfoundation i cant find the reference any more, but this sounds like something which i heard of a couple of years back. that was an overdesigned concept where people would pour money in one end and it would magically distribute it "fairly" by relevance.
such a system will never work, and it never needs a blockchain.
the blockchain people still seem desperate to find a applications and still seem to think that their magic would save the world. won't work.
@Gina @ethereumfoundation what does work is this: pay the devs who develop the software you rely on.
we do not have a problem of distributing funds more fairly, we habe a problem of funds.
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@Gina @ethereumfoundation what does work is this: pay the devs who develop the software you rely on.
we do not have a problem of distributing funds more fairly, we habe a problem of funds.
@Gina @ethereumfoundation the sexy top project should fund its dependencies
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@Gina Generally, the idea of a donation hitting a bill of materials so the underlying tools get funded seems like a good idea. Doing it through the blockchain feels like a scam.
@bryanredeagle @Gina yup, and there are existing projects that do it sans blockchain like https://thanks.dev
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@pitrh omg, what a fucking work of art. It's like the original xkcd had a baby with the old org chart meme:
@jimsalter
How have I never seen this before‽
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@projectmoon @ethereumfoundation I'm guessing because of the smart contract element and because it's cheaper.
I'm not sure, I'm in no way a blockchain expert. Also not sure how it would work with or without blockchain.
@Gina @projectmoon there is currently no problem that can be solved with a blockchain that can't be solved better and cheaper WITHOUT a blockchain (well, except facilitating money laundering and crime).
Of course the people behind Ethereum won't tell you that, but as we say in Italy that's like asking the innkeeper if their wine is any good.
Also, Ethereum is *extremely* sketchy (international crime level sketchy)
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@jimsalter
How have I never seen this before‽
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I had such an interesting call today with someone from @ethereumfoundation about funding the #opensource ecosystem.
Basically, connecting a blockchain based funding system to a Software Bill of Materials (SBOM) to fund not just the sexy top project, but also the underlying libraries. Aka when you donate to or pay for a project, it would automatically donate to its dependencies as well (like the random person in Nebraska).
What do we think, #fediverse?
@Gina @ethereumfoundation Every project that chooses blockchain as a solution has terrible taste or is a scam.
Every.
Single.
One.
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I had such an interesting call today with someone from @ethereumfoundation about funding the #opensource ecosystem.
Basically, connecting a blockchain based funding system to a Software Bill of Materials (SBOM) to fund not just the sexy top project, but also the underlying libraries. Aka when you donate to or pay for a project, it would automatically donate to its dependencies as well (like the random person in Nebraska).
What do we think, #fediverse?
I'm all for the developers at the bottom of the stack getting paid, but when you start talking "blockchain", like most people I'm already skeptical and wondering what flavor of crypto scam this is.
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@bryanredeagle @Gina yup, and there are existing projects that do it sans blockchain like https://thanks.dev
@CosmicHorror @bryanredeagle oh I didn't know this platform yet, thanks for sharing.
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@Gina@fosstodon.org @ethereumfoundation@mastodon.social don't know about the cost, but can't you just basically parse the dependency list and go hunting for liberapay accounts from the dep's readme? lol
@projectmoon @Gina @ethereumfoundation I'm reminded of this article I saw only yesterday: https://www.seangoedecke.com/gas-and-ralph/
