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How (racist/sexist/whatever) harassment on Mastodon works:

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    @shlee @dave @StingrayBadger
    That would make a lot of sense, don't know who's in a position to work towards making it happen.

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    • dave@alvarado.socialD dave@alvarado.social

      How (racist/sexist/whatever) harassment on Mastodon works:

      1. Harasser replies to their target's post, with the reply set to "followers only", saying the most vile stuff you can imagine.

      2. All the harasser's followers join in on the harassment, posting more vile stuff.

      3. Nobody but the target and the harassment crew can see the vile stuff that was said.

      4. Target is traumatized. Nobody else can see why.

      5. Everybody says "I don't see it so it's not happening."

      Hachyderm's Introduction to Mastodon Moderation: Part 1

      The first post in a series about Mastodon moderation tooling. This post focuses on context for the upcoming posts.

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      @dave #antiracism

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      • dave@alvarado.socialD dave@alvarado.social

        How (racist/sexist/whatever) harassment on Mastodon works:

        1. Harasser replies to their target's post, with the reply set to "followers only", saying the most vile stuff you can imagine.

        2. All the harasser's followers join in on the harassment, posting more vile stuff.

        3. Nobody but the target and the harassment crew can see the vile stuff that was said.

        4. Target is traumatized. Nobody else can see why.

        5. Everybody says "I don't see it so it's not happening."

        Hachyderm's Introduction to Mastodon Moderation: Part 1

        The first post in a series about Mastodon moderation tooling. This post focuses on context for the upcoming posts.

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        thejen@beige.partyT This user is from outside of this forum
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        @dave While I am aware thay technology cannot solve social issues, it seems to me that it would be a fairly simple thing to code in a "harassment" feature that once triggered by the victim, exposes the entire thread publicly. Then the abusers couldn't hide behind the audience settings in order to victimize people. I know this puts the work on the victim, but it's a better solution than forcing them to screenshot the whole thing and publish it.

        Idk. A thought.

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        • julesbl@mastodon.me.ukJ julesbl@mastodon.me.uk

          @dave I think we need to change the way 'followers only' works, perhaps the target has to be a follower of the harasser for it to work?
          Or maybe the followers only option is disabled by default on all posts?
          Or, and I rather like this, the target never sees the post, after all they are not a follower 😃

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          @julesbl @dave who is "we" here?

          it's for the Mastodon development team to do that. various solutions have been suggested. they've said no to all of them, as far as i know.

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            @shlee @dave wouldn't they still be able to do (1) in that case?

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            • semitones@tiny.tilde.websiteS semitones@tiny.tilde.website

              @dave Is there a shit mastodon says account yet? Maybe people could anonymously shame the harassers by messaging screenshots and posting them that way.

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              @semitones @dave the harassers know where the Screenshots come from. They were part of the "interaction".

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              • dave@alvarado.socialD dave@alvarado.social

                How (racist/sexist/whatever) harassment on Mastodon works:

                1. Harasser replies to their target's post, with the reply set to "followers only", saying the most vile stuff you can imagine.

                2. All the harasser's followers join in on the harassment, posting more vile stuff.

                3. Nobody but the target and the harassment crew can see the vile stuff that was said.

                4. Target is traumatized. Nobody else can see why.

                5. Everybody says "I don't see it so it's not happening."

                Hachyderm's Introduction to Mastodon Moderation: Part 1

                The first post in a series about Mastodon moderation tooling. This post focuses on context for the upcoming posts.

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                @dave bonus points when the victim is blocked and not able to report report said harrassment…

                • They can even prevent admins from seeing the posts in question
                  • This is a serious issue that #Mastodin developers refuse to address, alongside the unwillingness to address basic features that every other internet-facing application has, like blocklist feed support…
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