Another train journey.
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Disappointingly, from what I can tell DSB, who bought the same Talgo 230 rolling stock has the same accessibility choice in their purchase. I wonder if Flixtrain have made the same choice with their Talgo 230 purchase.
Special thanks to @moof for the photos of the ICE L.
And if you haven't read @WeirdWriter post about door knobs, you should. https://sightlessscribbles.com/posts/doorknob-hostility/
7/7@quixoticgeek @moof @WeirdWriter DSB very deliberately, for better or worse, selected something as close to what DB did as possible. This was mainly to avoid accusations of repeating the IC4 scandal by buying something bespoke.
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"But there are gap fillers in the only coach with wheelchair space". I can hear some apologists typing.
This is one of the biggest misconceptions of accessible design. That only wheelchair users need it.
What about parents with kids in a pushchair? Or people with heavy wheeled luggage? Or people who walk with a frame? Or crutches? Or people with balance issue? Or travelling with young children?
Just like how the curb cut effect makes the built environment better for everyone.
5/n@quixoticgeek Sadly a lot of EU countries have even poorer disability access rights legislation than the UK on transport.
https://www.ksta.de/region/leverkusen/stadt-leverkusen/leverkusen-prozess-um-rausschmiss-aus-der-bahn-endet-im-tumult-1256025 is a recent German case. The German wheelchair user had the right to travel, but the train manager "didn't wanna" so got him evicted from the train by police who were violent (cos wheelchair user refused to move) and the courts backed the disablist train service not the disabled wheelchair user.
Labelled level access often Really Isn't!
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@quixoticgeek I initially thought the first photo was the "bad" example, because that's still a pretty significant gap. The second, I can't believe that's considered safe for anyone!
@earthtoneone @quixoticgeek I thought the same at first!
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"But there are gap fillers in the only coach with wheelchair space". I can hear some apologists typing.
This is one of the biggest misconceptions of accessible design. That only wheelchair users need it.
What about parents with kids in a pushchair? Or people with heavy wheeled luggage? Or people who walk with a frame? Or crutches? Or people with balance issue? Or travelling with young children?
Just like how the curb cut effect makes the built environment better for everyone.
5/n@quixoticgeek We visited Germany by train with young kids a few years ago and were shocked by how hard it was with prams. And the regional trains you were then stuck in the luggage area once you were on
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These are aptly called "gap fillers". They allow anything with wheels to roll relatively easily onto the train from the station platform (or visa versa). DB with the ICE L however, has failed to understand this fundamental design feature.
They have gap fillers on the ICE L, if you look at the fiat picture at the start of the thread you can see one. Except they only have them on one coach of the 17 coach train.
One.
The other 16 coaches are like in the second picture.
3/n@quixoticgeek Oh let me guess, they also still only have one wheelchair-accessible toilet for a train hundreds of metres long which also contains the train’s one and only changing table?
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