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  3. Pleased to share a page and explainer for the AI tarpit project Science is Poetry, with legal statement, rationale(s), and a few deployment notes:

Pleased to share a page and explainer for the AI tarpit project Science is Poetry, with legal statement, rationale(s), and a few deployment notes:

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  • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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    #146

    @perhammer Thank you for yours! I will add your domain tomorrow at UTC midnight.

    If you are up for offering other domains to the cause, that is very kind and good. I'll surely take them. And yes, exactly the same records.

    I may spin up servers under other IPs in future, and spread the donated domains across them. For now, given the insane volume of traffic, there's evidently no need.

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      #147

      @perhammer Ah such great domains, thank you! I'll report back once done, for you to liberally link.

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      • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

        For any naysayers out there as to how effective all this is, or could be, some recent research shows you can do a lot with a little:

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        Poisoning Attacks on LLMs Require a Near-constant Number of Poison Samples

        Abstract page for arXiv paper 2510.07192: Poisoning Attacks on LLMs Require a Near-constant Number of Poison Samples

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        arXiv.org (arxiv.org)

        Researchers found that a very small corpora of poison content has largely the same impact, regardless of the size of the data in the model itself:

        "We find that 250 poisoned documents similarly compromise models across all model and dataset sizes, despite the largest models training on more than 20 times more clean data."

        liebach@mastodon.artL This user is from outside of this forum
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        @JulianOliver Heartwarming, inspiring.

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        • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

          It's approaching DoS at this point. This just one of the VMs, and just OpenAI's parasite.

          Threading's holding up but need some more tuning of rate limits and burst. Trying sending 429's now to ask them to play nice.

          To think the www was built for people.

          And here we are

          bastelwombat@chaos.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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          #149

          @JulianOliver Wait, they are still this dumb? Don‘t get me wrong, I like the idea of your project. But I'd expect it to be detected and ignored –* at least by the bigger players. Especially with other projects like this (e.g. Nepenthes) being out for a while already.

          Or maybe the detection happens once the content has been parsed? Can you see how many pages deep an individual crawler goes?

          * yes, a handmade emdash.

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          • bastelwombat@chaos.socialB bastelwombat@chaos.social

            @JulianOliver Wait, they are still this dumb? Don‘t get me wrong, I like the idea of your project. But I'd expect it to be detected and ignored –* at least by the bigger players. Especially with other projects like this (e.g. Nepenthes) being out for a while already.

            Or maybe the detection happens once the content has been parsed? Can you see how many pages deep an individual crawler goes?

            * yes, a handmade emdash.

            julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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            #150

            @bastelwombat

            Yesterday's hit count for this project was nearly 1M unique page reads, a tiny proportion (<1%) from humans..

            I trialed the great Nepenthes quite extensively and it was good at hooking but not holding crawlers, not in 2026, as I explain on the project page. Today the big AI crawlers seemingly lose interest in Markov, tire of drip-fed content, & prefer a non dictionary corpus, as they seek content akin to how we humans communicate (typos, made up words, ad hoc emphasis etc).

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            • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

              For any naysayers out there as to how effective all this is, or could be, some recent research shows you can do a lot with a little:

              Link Preview Image
              Poisoning Attacks on LLMs Require a Near-constant Number of Poison Samples

              Abstract page for arXiv paper 2510.07192: Poisoning Attacks on LLMs Require a Near-constant Number of Poison Samples

              favicon

              arXiv.org (arxiv.org)

              Researchers found that a very small corpora of poison content has largely the same impact, regardless of the size of the data in the model itself:

              "We find that 250 poisoned documents similarly compromise models across all model and dataset sizes, despite the largest models training on more than 20 times more clean data."

              mgiraldo@mstdn.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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              #151

              @JulianOliver is random data sufficiently poisonous?

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              • mgiraldo@mstdn.socialM mgiraldo@mstdn.social

                @JulianOliver is random data sufficiently poisonous?

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                #152

                @mgiraldo Answering that in earnest would require knowing more than I do about the unique model training approaches of each LLM. As a guess it may not be as poisonous as Markov content from well know corpuses like popular books, or famous papers. However some of the bigger bots seem good at detecting this, and so drop-off anyway. I had poor retention results this way.

                There may be references, faux terms & partials in randomly produced sentences that could sneak in to training datasets.

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                • smn@l3ib.orgS smn@l3ib.org

                  @JulianOliver done. whatthefuckisgoingonwithmyhorroscope.today now has those records, at least until the domain expires on April 27 2027

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                  #153

                  @smn You're live!

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                  • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                    @mgiraldo Answering that in earnest would require knowing more than I do about the unique model training approaches of each LLM. As a guess it may not be as poisonous as Markov content from well know corpuses like popular books, or famous papers. However some of the bigger bots seem good at detecting this, and so drop-off anyway. I had poor retention results this way.

                    There may be references, faux terms & partials in randomly produced sentences that could sneak in to training datasets.

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                    #154

                    @JulianOliver however many poison pills you can introduce are a service to humanity 🫡

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                    • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                      For any naysayers out there as to how effective all this is, or could be, some recent research shows you can do a lot with a little:

                      Link Preview Image
                      Poisoning Attacks on LLMs Require a Near-constant Number of Poison Samples

                      Abstract page for arXiv paper 2510.07192: Poisoning Attacks on LLMs Require a Near-constant Number of Poison Samples

                      favicon

                      arXiv.org (arxiv.org)

                      Researchers found that a very small corpora of poison content has largely the same impact, regardless of the size of the data in the model itself:

                      "We find that 250 poisoned documents similarly compromise models across all model and dataset sizes, despite the largest models training on more than 20 times more clean data."

                      julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
                      julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
                      julianoliver@mastodon.social
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                      #155

                      Ye gads it's gone absolutely silly.

                      I spent a good part of my morning trying to work out if it was a veiled DoS or actual harvesting while keeping the thing up. Status codes are good, 96.5% are real page reads from the usual AI crawler suspects.

                      A big network in Singapore with "www.google.com" (but not GoogleBot) User Agent string is responsible for some of it. But the rest is just frantic feeding.

                      Server is running hot. To keep it up I'm having to further tune ratelimiting, bursts etc.

                      alex27@infosec.exchangeA malte@anticapitalist.partyM julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ feral_3d@mastodon.socialF 4 Replies Last reply
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                      • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                        Ye gads it's gone absolutely silly.

                        I spent a good part of my morning trying to work out if it was a veiled DoS or actual harvesting while keeping the thing up. Status codes are good, 96.5% are real page reads from the usual AI crawler suspects.

                        A big network in Singapore with "www.google.com" (but not GoogleBot) User Agent string is responsible for some of it. But the rest is just frantic feeding.

                        Server is running hot. To keep it up I'm having to further tune ratelimiting, bursts etc.

                        alex27@infosec.exchangeA This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #156

                        @JulianOliver hey, is that ok to leave a link to science poetry from some of my pages?

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                        • alex27@infosec.exchangeA alex27@infosec.exchange

                          @JulianOliver hey, is that ok to leave a link to science poetry from some of my pages?

                          julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #157

                          @alex27 Please do, that's what it's there for!

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                          • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                            @alex27 Please do, that's what it's there for!

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                            #158

                            @JulianOliver thanks! Asking since it's not clear to what extent system is operational and rather there are problems with performance so far. Didn't want to put the last straw.

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                            • alex27@infosec.exchangeA alex27@infosec.exchange

                              @JulianOliver thanks! Asking since it's not clear to what extent system is operational and rather there are problems with performance so far. Didn't want to put the last straw.

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                              #159

                              @alex27 Fully operational yes, thanks for asking. The system is under a lot of load but still has some room. I will tune so it can serve even more if it needs to.

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                              • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                                Ye gads it's gone absolutely silly.

                                I spent a good part of my morning trying to work out if it was a veiled DoS or actual harvesting while keeping the thing up. Status codes are good, 96.5% are real page reads from the usual AI crawler suspects.

                                A big network in Singapore with "www.google.com" (but not GoogleBot) User Agent string is responsible for some of it. But the rest is just frantic feeding.

                                Server is running hot. To keep it up I'm having to further tune ratelimiting, bursts etc.

                                malte@anticapitalist.partyM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                @JulianOliver you probably wrote it somewhere, but i can't find: what's the tool for visualizing the log output?

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                                • malte@anticapitalist.partyM malte@anticapitalist.party

                                  @JulianOliver you probably wrote it somewhere, but i can't find: what's the tool for visualizing the log output?

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                                  @malte I'm using `rhit` from Dystroy. The stock amd64 binary doesn't come with SHA sum, so you may want to use their repo or download and inspect somewhere safe first.

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                                  • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                                    Ye gads it's gone absolutely silly.

                                    I spent a good part of my morning trying to work out if it was a veiled DoS or actual harvesting while keeping the thing up. Status codes are good, 96.5% are real page reads from the usual AI crawler suspects.

                                    A big network in Singapore with "www.google.com" (but not GoogleBot) User Agent string is responsible for some of it. But the rest is just frantic feeding.

                                    Server is running hot. To keep it up I'm having to further tune ratelimiting, bursts etc.

                                    julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #162

                                    I've added these kindly donated new domains to the ridiculous landing page at https://scienceispoetry.net/

                                    - poesie.kornshell.xyz
                                    - whatthefuckisgoingonwithmyhorroscope.today
                                    - poetry.danielarmengol.com
                                    - poetry.usolab.com
                                    - poetry.pinchito.com
                                    - poetry.interactionphilia.com

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                                    • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                                      @malte I'm using `rhit` from Dystroy. The stock amd64 binary doesn't come with SHA sum, so you may want to use their repo or download and inspect somewhere safe first.

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                                      @JulianOliver ah yes! dystroy's tools are so cool!!! ✨

                                      (i forgot about rhit because it's not in the debian repos, yet 😅)

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                                      • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                                        I've added these kindly donated new domains to the ridiculous landing page at https://scienceispoetry.net/

                                        - poesie.kornshell.xyz
                                        - whatthefuckisgoingonwithmyhorroscope.today
                                        - poetry.danielarmengol.com
                                        - poetry.usolab.com
                                        - poetry.pinchito.com
                                        - poetry.interactionphilia.com

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                                        I've done the log analysis and the two biggest contributors that brought the AI crawler hits up to 2 million in a day, a 4x increase on a week prior, are ByteSpider (Singapore networks) and especially AppleBot (used for Siri and other Apple products).

                                        The parasites.txt is now >4500 lines long:

                                        https://scienceispoetry.net/files/parasites.txt

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                                        • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                                          I've added these kindly donated new domains to the ridiculous landing page at https://scienceispoetry.net/

                                          - poesie.kornshell.xyz
                                          - whatthefuckisgoingonwithmyhorroscope.today
                                          - poetry.danielarmengol.com
                                          - poetry.usolab.com
                                          - poetry.pinchito.com
                                          - poetry.interactionphilia.com

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                                          @JulianOliver For me, this text suggests the informational equivalent of "window"—fluttering strips of reflective chaff, intended to attract attention and confuse.

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