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  3. Pleased to share a page and explainer for the AI tarpit project Science is Poetry, with legal statement, rationale(s), and a few deployment notes:

Pleased to share a page and explainer for the AI tarpit project Science is Poetry, with legal statement, rationale(s), and a few deployment notes:

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  • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

    If you're interested in learning more about implementations of resistance in this era of unchecked Big AI, direct action strategies and the techno-politics therein, be sure to check out ASRG's site (https://algorithmic-sabotage.gitlab.io/asrg/) and give them a follow here on Mastodon (@asrg).

    They've put a lot of heartbeats and neurons - human stuff - into this area.

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    @JulianOliver both links here are 404s as of today - but i will make a note of this name 🙂

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    • xurizaemon@toot.cafeX xurizaemon@toot.cafe

      @JulianOliver both links here are 404s as of today - but i will make a note of this name 🙂

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      @xurizaemon Yes, it seems soon after my post they took down the account and page. I don't think the two are related and hope they return soon!

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      • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

        My log analysis shows that what these AI crawlers do is swarm content to get around rate limiting; with many end-points each can be limited to sane human defaults and their automation can still harvest content at massive scales from the same source in little time.

        I noticed however that (for unknown reasons) Anthropic started reducing the number of crawler endpoints, tapering down traffic from them. So I doubled the rate to 2/s. This added over 100k hits to the logs in a day.

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        @JulianOliver one strategy to defend against this. A tiny bit memory intensive but I think manageable.

        This is not for your project but for anyone defending against I scrapers.

        Crawler A pulls page A and gets a link to page B. This is specific to the request and invisible in the page or else try to only serve up to crawlers.

        Crawler B tries to pull page B but we know it never pulled page A so can't know about it. Ban both A and B.

        This has to check source IP and keep track of that. But!

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          @JulianOliver crazy

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          • coldclimate@hachyderm.ioC coldclimate@hachyderm.io

            @JulianOliver several, hit me up

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            @coldclimate Apologies for the delay. If you're still up for it, here are the 2 records needed:

            A: 95.216.76.85
            AAAA: 2a01:4f9:2b:c83::2

            Let me know once done and I'll set it all up serverside 🙂

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            • aks@scalie.zoneA aks@scalie.zone

              @JulianOliver i could dedicate subdomains such as science.akselmo.dev to this. Just let me know how.

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              @aks Apologies for the delay. If you're still up for it, here are the 2 records needed:

              A: 95.216.76.85
              AAAA: 2a01:4f9:2b:c83::2

              Let me know once done and I'll set it all up serverside 🙂

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              • thgie@post.lurk.orgT thgie@post.lurk.org

                You can add `dreckiger.schleimpilz.ch` to the list. Thanks for all your work!

                @JulianOliver

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                @thgie I still can't get past how perfect this domain is. Thanks again.

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                  @perhammer Apologies for the delay. If you're still up for it, here are the 2 records needed:

                  A: 95.216.76.85
                  AAAA: 2a01:4f9:2b:c83::2

                  Let me know once done and I'll set it all up serverside 🙂

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                  • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                    My log analysis shows that what these AI crawlers do is swarm content to get around rate limiting; with many end-points each can be limited to sane human defaults and their automation can still harvest content at massive scales from the same source in little time.

                    I noticed however that (for unknown reasons) Anthropic started reducing the number of crawler endpoints, tapering down traffic from them. So I doubled the rate to 2/s. This added over 100k hits to the logs in a day.

                    Link Preview Image
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                    #139

                    Nearly a month later you would've thought that the crawlers would've given up by now, dropped off, blacklisted the IPs, or perhaps even the domains themselves.

                    And yet no. As I tentatively guessed, thanks to your donated domains (and the people linking them in their sites) it has only grown.

                    I don't expect it to run this hot for the long term, but yesterday's hit count (these are almost 100% reads of randomly generated pages by AI crawlers) was near 1M.

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                    • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                      @thgie I still can't get past how perfect this domain is. Thanks again.

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                      I honestly bought the domain on a whim, because I'm kind of fascinated by slime molds. I'm super happy it finds such useful application. Thanks for all your work, @JulianOliver!

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                      • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                        Nearly a month later you would've thought that the crawlers would've given up by now, dropped off, blacklisted the IPs, or perhaps even the domains themselves.

                        And yet no. As I tentatively guessed, thanks to your donated domains (and the people linking them in their sites) it has only grown.

                        I don't expect it to run this hot for the long term, but yesterday's hit count (these are almost 100% reads of randomly generated pages by AI crawlers) was near 1M.

                        Link Preview Image
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                        #141

                        @JulianOliver Damn, the bandwidth...

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                        • thgie@post.lurk.orgT thgie@post.lurk.org

                          I honestly bought the domain on a whim, because I'm kind of fascinated by slime molds. I'm super happy it finds such useful application. Thanks for all your work, @JulianOliver!

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                          @thgie Thanks for the kind words! I'm fascinated by slime molds too. The only kind I don't like comes from Silicon Valley.

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                          • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                            @thgie Thanks for the kind words! I'm fascinated by slime molds too. The only kind I don't like comes from Silicon Valley.

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                            Exactly, the dirty ones !

                            @JulianOliver

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                            • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                              Nearly a month later you would've thought that the crawlers would've given up by now, dropped off, blacklisted the IPs, or perhaps even the domains themselves.

                              And yet no. As I tentatively guessed, thanks to your donated domains (and the people linking them in their sites) it has only grown.

                              I don't expect it to run this hot for the long term, but yesterday's hit count (these are almost 100% reads of randomly generated pages by AI crawlers) was near 1M.

                              Link Preview Image
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                              For any naysayers out there as to how effective all this is, or could be, some recent research shows you can do a lot with a little:

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                              Poisoning Attacks on LLMs Require a Near-constant Number of Poison Samples

                              Abstract page for arXiv paper 2510.07192: Poisoning Attacks on LLMs Require a Near-constant Number of Poison Samples

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                              arXiv.org (arxiv.org)

                              Researchers found that a very small corpora of poison content has largely the same impact, regardless of the size of the data in the model itself:

                              "We find that 250 poisoned documents similarly compromise models across all model and dataset sizes, despite the largest models training on more than 20 times more clean data."

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                              • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                                For any naysayers out there as to how effective all this is, or could be, some recent research shows you can do a lot with a little:

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                                Poisoning Attacks on LLMs Require a Near-constant Number of Poison Samples

                                Abstract page for arXiv paper 2510.07192: Poisoning Attacks on LLMs Require a Near-constant Number of Poison Samples

                                favicon

                                arXiv.org (arxiv.org)

                                Researchers found that a very small corpora of poison content has largely the same impact, regardless of the size of the data in the model itself:

                                "We find that 250 poisoned documents similarly compromise models across all model and dataset sizes, despite the largest models training on more than 20 times more clean data."

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                                @JulianOliver oh dang! I kinda love that this is so effective, whereas other methods are completely appropriate. Training season for data is a monopoly, where we to endgender and respect alternatives, industry leaders would find a meaningful new paradigm.

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                                  @perhammer Thank you for yours! I will add your domain tomorrow at UTC midnight.

                                  If you are up for offering other domains to the cause, that is very kind and good. I'll surely take them. And yes, exactly the same records.

                                  I may spin up servers under other IPs in future, and spread the donated domains across them. For now, given the insane volume of traffic, there's evidently no need.

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                                    @perhammer Ah such great domains, thank you! I'll report back once done, for you to liberally link.

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                                    • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                                      For any naysayers out there as to how effective all this is, or could be, some recent research shows you can do a lot with a little:

                                      Link Preview Image
                                      Poisoning Attacks on LLMs Require a Near-constant Number of Poison Samples

                                      Abstract page for arXiv paper 2510.07192: Poisoning Attacks on LLMs Require a Near-constant Number of Poison Samples

                                      favicon

                                      arXiv.org (arxiv.org)

                                      Researchers found that a very small corpora of poison content has largely the same impact, regardless of the size of the data in the model itself:

                                      "We find that 250 poisoned documents similarly compromise models across all model and dataset sizes, despite the largest models training on more than 20 times more clean data."

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                                      @JulianOliver Heartwarming, inspiring.

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                                      • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                                        It's approaching DoS at this point. This just one of the VMs, and just OpenAI's parasite.

                                        Threading's holding up but need some more tuning of rate limits and burst. Trying sending 429's now to ask them to play nice.

                                        To think the www was built for people.

                                        And here we are

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                                        @JulianOliver Wait, they are still this dumb? Don‘t get me wrong, I like the idea of your project. But I'd expect it to be detected and ignored –* at least by the bigger players. Especially with other projects like this (e.g. Nepenthes) being out for a while already.

                                        Or maybe the detection happens once the content has been parsed? Can you see how many pages deep an individual crawler goes?

                                        * yes, a handmade emdash.

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                                        • bastelwombat@chaos.socialB bastelwombat@chaos.social

                                          @JulianOliver Wait, they are still this dumb? Don‘t get me wrong, I like the idea of your project. But I'd expect it to be detected and ignored –* at least by the bigger players. Especially with other projects like this (e.g. Nepenthes) being out for a while already.

                                          Or maybe the detection happens once the content has been parsed? Can you see how many pages deep an individual crawler goes?

                                          * yes, a handmade emdash.

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                                          @bastelwombat

                                          Yesterday's hit count for this project was nearly 1M unique page reads, a tiny proportion (<1%) from humans..

                                          I trialed the great Nepenthes quite extensively and it was good at hooking but not holding crawlers, not in 2026, as I explain on the project page. Today the big AI crawlers seemingly lose interest in Markov, tire of drip-fed content, & prefer a non dictionary corpus, as they seek content akin to how we humans communicate (typos, made up words, ad hoc emphasis etc).

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