Looking for scientific resources.
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Looking for scientific resources. My wife got suckered into "trans people are severely mentally ill and should be pitied and treated" talking points and I would appreciate help finding resources that show that pathologizing is both incorrect and harmful. Retoots appreciated.
@nowwhat
If she means that society's pressure, institutional discrimination and objective hardship when transitioning can cause issues for many trans people, she might be right. If what she's saying is that we are trans because we're mentally ill, I will not bother engaged in it the same way I wont engaged in a argument with someone claiming blacks are mentally ill. -
@nowwhat why... just why
this is a "you are beating a dead horse",
you could go with, it's no longer considered a mental illness on sources and that is just spreading hate for free. "Why would you have the same opinion on any topic as Donald Trump"btw, i would tag cw this as "transphobia, help needed, hate speech"
@autisticplushy Thank you, I've CWed it.
The rhetorical appeal to emotion likely won't play as she's being serious and rational about it, unfortunately.
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@autisticplushy Thank you, I've CWed it.
The rhetorical appeal to emotion likely won't play as she's being serious and rational about it, unfortunately.
@nowwhat I was thinking into showing her criticisms about antipsychiatry, it's one of the pilars of this shit.
people use "rationality" and intelectuality to deny the validity of equally rational arguments and that is the basis of any supremacist school of thought
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Looking for scientific resources. My wife got suckered into "trans people are severely mentally ill and should be pitied and treated" talking points and I would appreciate help finding resources that show that pathologizing is both incorrect and harmful. Retoots appreciated.
I haven’t watched this yet, but I everything I’ve watched from Philosophy tube has been really good. Generally well sourced.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_S5w18sjYLk -
Looking for scientific resources. My wife got suckered into "trans people are severely mentally ill and should be pitied and treated" talking points and I would appreciate help finding resources that show that pathologizing is both incorrect and harmful. Retoots appreciated.
@nowwhat let’s see…
The well documented and medically proven treatment for gender dysphoria is transition. So if she wants to pity and treat us, that is how it’s done.
You could go the harm reduction route, where the harm of a trans person living their life is much less than the harm applied to trans people who are refused transition.
You could go the “the laws that target trans people also effect cis people” which might be helpful.
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@autisticplushy Thank you, I've CWed it.
The rhetorical appeal to emotion likely won't play as she's being serious and rational about it, unfortunately.
@nowwhat @autisticplushy are you sure she is being rational? Or rationalizing?
I would look at what sources her talking points refer to, how they are rated by other scientists, and where they get their funding.
Being rational, statistically, delaying the onset of puberty can save so many people's lives. Vs. Having a preconceived notion that trans people are wrong and therefore being convinced by anti-trans disinformation. See https://commonslibrary.org/the-anti-trans-movement/
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@nowwhat let’s see…
The well documented and medically proven treatment for gender dysphoria is transition. So if she wants to pity and treat us, that is how it’s done.
You could go the harm reduction route, where the harm of a trans person living their life is much less than the harm applied to trans people who are refused transition.
You could go the “the laws that target trans people also effect cis people” which might be helpful.
@nowwhat I’ve found in general that people who are against trans people’s rights generally need more experience with trans people in their real life. The arguments aren’t logical when placed against the fact that trans people exist and are people instead of these scary/pitiable things that are over there.
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Looking for scientific resources. My wife got suckered into "trans people are severely mentally ill and should be pitied and treated" talking points and I would appreciate help finding resources that show that pathologizing is both incorrect and harmful. Retoots appreciated.
@nowwhat This may or may not be helpful, but the ICD is the international standard for basically defining medical conditions, and lays out the basics of what doctors need to understand about trans people.
It's a cold, objective summary of the topic that's much more useful than the DSM because it considers expertise from all of medicine - not just psychiatry.
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I haven’t watched this yet, but I everything I’ve watched from Philosophy tube has been really good. Generally well sourced.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_S5w18sjYLk@thatKomputerKat @finn I love Abigail's work. I watched this one when it hit, but I can't remember there being anything pertinent in it. May need to rewatch...
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@thatKomputerKat @finn I love Abigail's work. I watched this one when it hit, but I can't remember there being anything pertinent in it. May need to rewatch...
@nowwhat @finn what I gleaned from the few minutes of it before posting, it looked to be talking about people wanting to control other people down to their core identity including sexuality and also mentioned the cruelty of conversion therapy which is basically what they consider “treatment” for lgbtq. That’s all I know about it.
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Looking for scientific resources. My wife got suckered into "trans people are severely mentally ill and should be pitied and treated" talking points and I would appreciate help finding resources that show that pathologizing is both incorrect and harmful. Retoots appreciated.
@nowwhat I don’t have scientific research to offer, but consider that being left-handed was once viewed similarly. Variation between individuals is seen in all populations.
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Looking for scientific resources. My wife got suckered into "trans people are severely mentally ill and should be pitied and treated" talking points and I would appreciate help finding resources that show that pathologizing is both incorrect and harmful. Retoots appreciated.
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Looking for scientific resources. My wife got suckered into "trans people are severely mentally ill and should be pitied and treated" talking points and I would appreciate help finding resources that show that pathologizing is both incorrect and harmful. Retoots appreciated.
@nowwhat I don't have bandwidth to locate specific resources, but you should get some good leads searching "rebuttal of UK Cass review" and following the citations. Best of luck.
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Looking for scientific resources. My wife got suckered into "trans people are severely mentally ill and should be pitied and treated" talking points and I would appreciate help finding resources that show that pathologizing is both incorrect and harmful. Retoots appreciated.
It is no longer a mental illness. Under ICD11 Gender Dysphoria has been removed and therefore no longer exists as an illness. It has been replaced with Gender Incongruence as a place holder for other physological conditions which may be co-morbid or present atypically in trans people.
Gender dysphoria exists, but it is a symptom of the way we are treated by society.
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@nowwhat I’ve found in general that people who are against trans people’s rights generally need more experience with trans people in their real life. The arguments aren’t logical when placed against the fact that trans people exist and are people instead of these scary/pitiable things that are over there.
@LadyJessica That's the trick, though: she's not denying that the world is unfair to trans folks. She's just focused on the pathologism and pity.
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R relay@relay.infosec.exchange shared this topic
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@nowwhat This may or may not be helpful, but the ICD is the international standard for basically defining medical conditions, and lays out the basics of what doctors need to understand about trans people.
It's a cold, objective summary of the topic that's much more useful than the DSM because it considers expertise from all of medicine - not just psychiatry.
@orange Now this is exactly what I'm looking for, Thank You!
> This reflects current knowledge that trans-related and gender diverse identities are not conditions of mental ill-health, and that classifying them as such can cause enormous stigma.
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It is no longer a mental illness. Under ICD11 Gender Dysphoria has been removed and therefore no longer exists as an illness. It has been replaced with Gender Incongruence as a place holder for other physological conditions which may be co-morbid or present atypically in trans people.
Gender dysphoria exists, but it is a symptom of the way we are treated by society.
@alexadeswift Thank you. The ICD11 might be exactly what I'm after. It is exactly as unequivocal as I was hoping:
> This reflects current knowledge that trans-related and gender diverse identities are not conditions of mental ill-health, and that classifying them as such can cause enormous stigma.
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Looking for scientific resources. My wife got suckered into "trans people are severely mentally ill and should be pitied and treated" talking points and I would appreciate help finding resources that show that pathologizing is both incorrect and harmful. Retoots appreciated.
@nowwhat @orange @alexadeswift its a bit sad that there are people that only listen to DSM or ICD but i was sure you were going to get some info.
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@nowwhat @orange @alexadeswift its a bit sad that there are people that only listen to DSM or ICD but i was sure you were going to get some info.
Unfortunately I was getting ready to go grocery shopping, and also we now have major psyhciactric organisations shifting to a gender critical POV, including platforming exclusively TERFs on panels discussing trans healthcare.
So nowadays I go to the top, and then drill down.
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Unfortunately I was getting ready to go grocery shopping, and also we now have major psyhciactric organisations shifting to a gender critical POV, including platforming exclusively TERFs on panels discussing trans healthcare.
So nowadays I go to the top, and then drill down.
@alexadeswift @autisticplushy Oh, I think they were referring to my wife when they were talking about people who'd only listen to diagnostic guidelines, not you.
Self determination and informed consent are all that ought to matter. But for those like my wife... Appeal to Authority might do the trick.
