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i think society would be better if they just handed out money to people no questions asked, but i suppose it's true some people might use it to be happy

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  • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

    @aeva if it is i demand to know where my money handouts from the government are

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    @eniko @aeva They send it to your corporate address once you're on their "good" list.

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    • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

      @aeva Most of the work people in my industry do makes my life, and the world at large, much worse. I would be happy if they just stopped working. We have the technology for the world to operate with maybe 10% of people working 5-20 hour work weeks when they want extra money or want to do things that excite them and everyone else just refraining from making the world worse and doing non work things that make it better as they like.

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      @dalias @aeva

      I'll happily spend 40 hours a week doing science. What really grinds my gears is all the bureaucracy BS hustling for grant money.

      Just give me a lab and a yearly total budget of ~250000€ for buying stuff, paying contractors and paying my salary from, and allow me to carry any leftover into the next fiscal year. I'll churn out royalty free medical imaging tech.

      dalias@hachyderm.ioD bovaz@misskey.socialB timwardcam@c.imT profpatsch@mastodon.xyzP sennoma@chaos.socialS 5 Replies Last reply
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      • datenwolf@chaos.socialD datenwolf@chaos.social

        @dalias @aeva

        I'll happily spend 40 hours a week doing science. What really grinds my gears is all the bureaucracy BS hustling for grant money.

        Just give me a lab and a yearly total budget of ~250000€ for buying stuff, paying contractors and paying my salary from, and allow me to carry any leftover into the next fiscal year. I'll churn out royalty free medical imaging tech.

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        @datenwolf @aeva This. Even if you have a rate of 10% or even 50% cranks, this system would turn out more and better prosocial technology than capitalism ever could.

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        • aeva@mastodon.gamedev.placeA aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place

          i think society would be better if they just handed out money to people no questions asked, but i suppose it's true some people might use it to be happy

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          @aeva That's the opposite direction in respect to the invention of money itself.
          Existence of money is the key to divide people between richness and poverty. If you let anyone live a decent life, regardless of money, then money looses its meaning.

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          • aeva@mastodon.gamedev.placeA aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place

            "but how will we force people to work without the threat of poverty" buddy it's not like I'm gonna stop making video games

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            @aeva Fears and traumata put people into "act dead" mode. So putting more fears on people's shoulders doesn't make them more proactive.

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            • aeva@mastodon.gamedev.placeA aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place

              ok i saw that post going around about how nobody can fucking read but come on guys this is not at all the status quo of neoliberal economics take your head out of your ass

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              @aeva for clarity, are you arguing that the economic situations isn't leading to the literacy crisis or something else?

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              • datenwolf@chaos.socialD datenwolf@chaos.social

                @dalias @aeva

                I'll happily spend 40 hours a week doing science. What really grinds my gears is all the bureaucracy BS hustling for grant money.

                Just give me a lab and a yearly total budget of ~250000€ for buying stuff, paying contractors and paying my salary from, and allow me to carry any leftover into the next fiscal year. I'll churn out royalty free medical imaging tech.

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                @datenwolf@chaos.social @dalias@hachyderm.io @aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place This is a big reason I left academia after my phd. Waiting weeks to months for approval to spend few hundred euros for the stuff needed for an experiment was mentally exhausting.
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                • mym@toot.catM mym@toot.cat

                  @aeva i would be better at working if i had never been ground beneath the threat of poverty

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                  #43

                  @mym @aeva Oh, to imagine what I'd be doing if I didn't have to "earn my keep"? It wouldn't be grinding for a giant corporation who says, "The shareholders are our true customers," that's for sure.

                  I'd be writing roleplaying games and throwing pots.

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                  • aeva@mastodon.gamedev.placeA aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place

                    they literally can't run out of money they're the government they can just make more of it "but what about inflation" buddy we literally cannot run out of numbers

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                    @aeva Tye threat of poverty and early death hasn’t eliminated those things under capitalism (it’s made it worse), so, yes, write a check and drain the accounts of every billionaire. Every. Single. One.

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                    • raven@fedi.raventhemaker.comR raven@fedi.raventhemaker.com

                      @mym @aeva Oh, to imagine what I'd be doing if I didn't have to "earn my keep"? It wouldn't be grinding for a giant corporation who says, "The shareholders are our true customers," that's for sure.

                      I'd be writing roleplaying games and throwing pots.

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                      #45

                      @raven @mym @aeva I would sew things and do robotics research. I also need a new mug, so I like this plan.

                      I do worry about how things like trash pickup and sewer maintenance and medical record-keeping would get done though.

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                      • datenwolf@chaos.socialD datenwolf@chaos.social

                        @dalias @aeva

                        I'll happily spend 40 hours a week doing science. What really grinds my gears is all the bureaucracy BS hustling for grant money.

                        Just give me a lab and a yearly total budget of ~250000€ for buying stuff, paying contractors and paying my salary from, and allow me to carry any leftover into the next fiscal year. I'll churn out royalty free medical imaging tech.

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                        @datenwolf @dalias @aeva It was ever thus. A typical three year academic contract consisted of (and still does for all I know)

                        * one year scrabbling around to get the grants to buy the necessary kit

                        * one year doing actual work

                        * one year applying for the next three year job.

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                        • timwardcam@c.imT timwardcam@c.im

                          @datenwolf @dalias @aeva It was ever thus. A typical three year academic contract consisted of (and still does for all I know)

                          * one year scrabbling around to get the grants to buy the necessary kit

                          * one year doing actual work

                          * one year applying for the next three year job.

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                          @TimWardCam @datenwolf @aeva You're literally better off ditching the institution and running a YouTube channel on your research to fund it. 🤦

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                          • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

                            @TimWardCam @datenwolf @aeva You're literally better off ditching the institution and running a YouTube channel on your research to fund it. 🤦

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                            @dalias @datenwolf @aeva Nobody in the system (other than the victims) seems to ask "couldn't we try to do a bit better than a 33% efficiency rate?"

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                            • aeva@mastodon.gamedev.placeA aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place

                              i think society would be better if they just handed out money to people no questions asked, but i suppose it's true some people might use it to be happy

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                              @aeva

                              There's a,whole cadre of old politicians who spend every night lying in bed angry that someone is having more fun than they are. And determined to stop it.

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                              • aeva@mastodon.gamedev.placeA aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                i think society would be better if they just handed out money to people no questions asked, but i suppose it's true some people might use it to be happy

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                                @aeva this world needs a big reset button

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                                • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

                                  @datenwolf @aeva This. Even if you have a rate of 10% or even 50% cranks, this system would turn out more and better prosocial technology than capitalism ever could.

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                                  @dalias @datenwolf @aeva We'd be better off if most people did no work except cleaning up after themselves.

                                  How much work does your pet cat do? Yet they bring joy to your life.

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                                  • foolishowl@social.coopF foolishowl@social.coop

                                    @dalias @datenwolf @aeva We'd be better off if most people did no work except cleaning up after themselves.

                                    How much work does your pet cat do? Yet they bring joy to your life.

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                                    @foolishowl @dalias @datenwolf @aeva A long time ago, I was out with my pet lizard - he likes to wander around in the local park in the summer. We often get approached by kids (for obvious reasons; he *is* a rather unusual pet), and this time a small boy and an even smaller girl come over to check him out.

                                    So after all the usual questions (what does he eat? does he bite? how old is he?), the boy asks what I have him for. I'm completely baffled by the question ... but I don't really have time to answer before his little sister points out that *obviously* his job is just to be cute.

                                    And, yeah, I think that's the job most domestic cats do too. 🙂

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                                    • bovaz@misskey.socialB bovaz@misskey.social
                                      @datenwolf@chaos.social @dalias@hachyderm.io @aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place This is a big reason I left academia after my phd. Waiting weeks to months for approval to spend few hundred euros for the stuff needed for an experiment was mentally exhausting.
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                                      @bovaz @aeva @dalias @datenwolf Industry can be better, but I once had to get three competitive quotes from approved vendors (and no, purchasing wouldn’t tell me who the approved vendors were, since that’s the kind of question an unapproved vendor would ask!) and follow up repeatedly for about six months before I could get approval to buy a $20 thumb drive to reimage a failed server.

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                                      • cuberootoftrue@mathstodon.xyzC cuberootoftrue@mathstodon.xyz

                                        @aeva Some people will use it to get way TOO happy

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                                        @CubeRootOfTrue @aeva I am that some people

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                                        • L luc0x61@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                          @aeva That's the opposite direction in respect to the invention of money itself.
                                          Existence of money is the key to divide people between richness and poverty. If you let anyone live a decent life, regardless of money, then money looses its meaning.

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                                          @luc0x61 @aeva sounds great, sign me up

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