Just curious.
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Just curious. For the purposes of the poll, count coffee / mate and other caffeine (and any illicit stimulant substances) as self-medication.
(In high school and college I remember saying "coffee makes me sleepy" and IN RETROSPECT, OMG.)
"I scored some adderall and wrote fifty pages and cleaned the house and organized all my socks" vs "I took my adderall, and a nap".
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"I scored some adderall and wrote fifty pages and cleaned the house and organized all my socks" vs "I took my adderall, and a nap".
@mattdm self-medicated for like 20 years with caffeine, which both helps me function but can make me sleepy. I don't feel the same sleepiness effect with stimulant medication.
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"I scored some adderall and wrote fifty pages and cleaned the house and organized all my socks" vs "I took my adderall, and a nap".
@mattdm adderall has nothing on the power of procrastination; if there's something I really don't want to do I'll be organizing the dryer lint by size and color.
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@mattdm self-medicated for like 20 years with caffeine, which both helps me function but can make me sleepy. I don't feel the same sleepiness effect with stimulant medication.
If you don't mind, which meds?
For me:
* Coffee: one cup to sleep, two cups to work, three cups to stay up all night reading reddit for no reason
* Ritalin: omg so anxious and jittery
* Adderall: XR kept me up at night. With IR, could take in the morning and definitely then slept better at night
* Dextroamphetamine: increased anxiety, restless legs, and brain fog. What? Something not great with brain chemistry here!
* Evekeo (because hey, if right-handed was worse, maybe more levoamphetamine?): maybe good, but approved dosages are low and blood pressure concerns.
* Azstarys (current): has a very strong anti-anxiety effect for me. I often wake up at like 5-6and with too much going on in my brain. Now, I try to let that pass as best I can, then take meds at 7:30, check email or whatever, then sleep from 8-9 and wake up ready for the day. Best so far.(Crazy expensive though.)
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@mattdm adderall has nothing on the power of procrastination; if there's something I really don't want to do I'll be organizing the dryer lint by size and color.
Heh, yeah, that's relatable.
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If you don't mind, which meds?
For me:
* Coffee: one cup to sleep, two cups to work, three cups to stay up all night reading reddit for no reason
* Ritalin: omg so anxious and jittery
* Adderall: XR kept me up at night. With IR, could take in the morning and definitely then slept better at night
* Dextroamphetamine: increased anxiety, restless legs, and brain fog. What? Something not great with brain chemistry here!
* Evekeo (because hey, if right-handed was worse, maybe more levoamphetamine?): maybe good, but approved dosages are low and blood pressure concerns.
* Azstarys (current): has a very strong anti-anxiety effect for me. I often wake up at like 5-6and with too much going on in my brain. Now, I try to let that pass as best I can, then take meds at 7:30, check email or whatever, then sleep from 8-9 and wake up ready for the day. Best so far.(Crazy expensive though.)
And FWIW that bad Ritalin experience (plus being a teenager and not having any humility) was what led to 25 years of coffee-self-meditation until I got re-diagnosed.
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Just curious. For the purposes of the poll, count coffee / mate and other caffeine (and any illicit stimulant substances) as self-medication.
(In high school and college I remember saying "coffee makes me sleepy" and IN RETROSPECT, OMG.)
@mattdm In the short term I get sleepy after coffee or sodas, especially the latter because there's also a sugar crash. But after I wake up again, that caffeine has a long tail.
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And FWIW that bad Ritalin experience (plus being a teenager and not having any humility) was what led to 25 years of coffee-self-meditation until I got re-diagnosed.
@mattdm adderall extended release for me. It can keep me up at night if I take it too late but otherwise it seems to be doing its job at a fairly low dose.
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Just curious. For the purposes of the poll, count coffee / mate and other caffeine (and any illicit stimulant substances) as self-medication.
(In high school and college I remember saying "coffee makes me sleepy" and IN RETROSPECT, OMG.)
@mattdm I've dealt with ADHD my whole life. I self medicated with caffeine until I was officially diagnosed and then treated with Vyvanse but it would keep me up so had to stop. I could only vote for one of the options so I picked the "official Meds kept me up" option.
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Just curious. For the purposes of the poll, count coffee / mate and other caffeine (and any illicit stimulant substances) as self-medication.
(In high school and college I remember saying "coffee makes me sleepy" and IN RETROSPECT, OMG.)
@mattdm Visiting friends during evenings requires quietness (as background noise or music means I can't hear what they're saying) and literal liters of coffee to focus (and I still fall asleep on their couch shortly after most of the time 🫠).
And I usually have at least 2 - 3 generous cups of coffee in the day *before* the liter(s) of French press coffee at their place.
My whole family is like this too. We're all coffee fiends, requiring several cups per day to function at all.
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Just curious. For the purposes of the poll, count coffee / mate and other caffeine (and any illicit stimulant substances) as self-medication.
(In high school and college I remember saying "coffee makes me sleepy" and IN RETROSPECT, OMG.)
@mattdm both 1 and 2, to be honest? like... i bounce around between awakey and sleepy as i increase the amount of stims in me
so i think i'll go with the first option, because it's where i end up usually
fwiw i am typically on 60 mg vyvanse and a couple pints of iced coffee
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Just curious. For the purposes of the poll, count coffee / mate and other caffeine (and any illicit stimulant substances) as self-medication.
(In high school and college I remember saying "coffee makes me sleepy" and IN RETROSPECT, OMG.)
@mattdm it varies wildly, just a few months ago, I felt that caffeine would keep me up. A few years back, I would suffer from pretty bad insomnia, with or without caffeine. Now, I have fairly good sleep and I'm back to caffeine doesn't do much in terms of wakefulness.
I self medicate with THC, have never tried Ritalin / Adderall and have uncommon reactions to some drugs; cocaine doesn't do much and ketamine, which is an anesthetic, will keep me up. -
Just curious. For the purposes of the poll, count coffee / mate and other caffeine (and any illicit stimulant substances) as self-medication.
(In high school and college I remember saying "coffee makes me sleepy" and IN RETROSPECT, OMG.)
@mattdm I'm not really sure how to vote because my experience is very similar to yours. Vyvanse worked great for my symptoms but I slept a lot lighter, and I eventually decided I wasn't resting well enough. Adderall IR has been slightly less effective but now I go to bed in my normal manner, which is not unlike dropping an aircraft carrier's anchor
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Just curious. For the purposes of the poll, count coffee / mate and other caffeine (and any illicit stimulant substances) as self-medication.
(In high school and college I remember saying "coffee makes me sleepy" and IN RETROSPECT, OMG.)
@mattdm back in 1999, one of my study abroad cohort noticed how much black tea I drank in a day and commented "Wow. How mellow would you be if you WEREN'T always super caffeinated?" At the time, I knew I needed the tea, but I didn't know how to explain that actually, without it I'd seem like a squirrel on coke.
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Just curious. For the purposes of the poll, count coffee / mate and other caffeine (and any illicit stimulant substances) as self-medication.
(In high school and college I remember saying "coffee makes me sleepy" and IN RETROSPECT, OMG.)
@mattdm lolz at the balanced poll results. it's all a total chaos isn't it?
/me diagnosed, total squirrel brain. full package, called retarded in 90's, good grades but drove teachers nuts, (suspended) high school expulsion, hyperfocused afternoons at library
add coffee + book -- instant sleep
meth (and some adjacent chemicals) -- calm, focus, lot of room for thought, can put ideas and even emotions into words in more organized way. more listening, less talking
atomoxetine -- distractions no longer rewarding. eating not rewarding, hiding from cold not rewarding. staring into the wall for hours, unable to distract from difficult thoughts. dopamine no workey -
@mattdm lolz at the balanced poll results. it's all a total chaos isn't it?
/me diagnosed, total squirrel brain. full package, called retarded in 90's, good grades but drove teachers nuts, (suspended) high school expulsion, hyperfocused afternoons at library
add coffee + book -- instant sleep
meth (and some adjacent chemicals) -- calm, focus, lot of room for thought, can put ideas and even emotions into words in more organized way. more listening, less talking
atomoxetine -- distractions no longer rewarding. eating not rewarding, hiding from cold not rewarding. staring into the wall for hours, unable to distract from difficult thoughts. dopamine no workey@lkundrak @mattdm At the end of the day we're talking about weird levels of either or both production and reuptake of two different neurotransmitters, so it's a 4 variable problem that's completely in the analog domain. So it's not surprising the field of experiences is pretty evenly spread within the common results.
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