Just curious.
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"I scored some adderall and wrote fifty pages and cleaned the house and organized all my socks" vs "I took my adderall, and a nap".
@mattdm self-medicated for like 20 years with caffeine, which both helps me function but can make me sleepy. I don't feel the same sleepiness effect with stimulant medication.
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"I scored some adderall and wrote fifty pages and cleaned the house and organized all my socks" vs "I took my adderall, and a nap".
@mattdm adderall has nothing on the power of procrastination; if there's something I really don't want to do I'll be organizing the dryer lint by size and color.
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@mattdm self-medicated for like 20 years with caffeine, which both helps me function but can make me sleepy. I don't feel the same sleepiness effect with stimulant medication.
If you don't mind, which meds?
For me:
* Coffee: one cup to sleep, two cups to work, three cups to stay up all night reading reddit for no reason
* Ritalin: omg so anxious and jittery
* Adderall: XR kept me up at night. With IR, could take in the morning and definitely then slept better at night
* Dextroamphetamine: increased anxiety, restless legs, and brain fog. What? Something not great with brain chemistry here!
* Evekeo (because hey, if right-handed was worse, maybe more levoamphetamine?): maybe good, but approved dosages are low and blood pressure concerns.
* Azstarys (current): has a very strong anti-anxiety effect for me. I often wake up at like 5-6and with too much going on in my brain. Now, I try to let that pass as best I can, then take meds at 7:30, check email or whatever, then sleep from 8-9 and wake up ready for the day. Best so far.(Crazy expensive though.)
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@mattdm adderall has nothing on the power of procrastination; if there's something I really don't want to do I'll be organizing the dryer lint by size and color.
Heh, yeah, that's relatable.
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If you don't mind, which meds?
For me:
* Coffee: one cup to sleep, two cups to work, three cups to stay up all night reading reddit for no reason
* Ritalin: omg so anxious and jittery
* Adderall: XR kept me up at night. With IR, could take in the morning and definitely then slept better at night
* Dextroamphetamine: increased anxiety, restless legs, and brain fog. What? Something not great with brain chemistry here!
* Evekeo (because hey, if right-handed was worse, maybe more levoamphetamine?): maybe good, but approved dosages are low and blood pressure concerns.
* Azstarys (current): has a very strong anti-anxiety effect for me. I often wake up at like 5-6and with too much going on in my brain. Now, I try to let that pass as best I can, then take meds at 7:30, check email or whatever, then sleep from 8-9 and wake up ready for the day. Best so far.(Crazy expensive though.)
And FWIW that bad Ritalin experience (plus being a teenager and not having any humility) was what led to 25 years of coffee-self-meditation until I got re-diagnosed.
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Just curious. For the purposes of the poll, count coffee / mate and other caffeine (and any illicit stimulant substances) as self-medication.
(In high school and college I remember saying "coffee makes me sleepy" and IN RETROSPECT, OMG.)
@mattdm In the short term I get sleepy after coffee or sodas, especially the latter because there's also a sugar crash. But after I wake up again, that caffeine has a long tail.
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And FWIW that bad Ritalin experience (plus being a teenager and not having any humility) was what led to 25 years of coffee-self-meditation until I got re-diagnosed.
@mattdm adderall extended release for me. It can keep me up at night if I take it too late but otherwise it seems to be doing its job at a fairly low dose.
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Just curious. For the purposes of the poll, count coffee / mate and other caffeine (and any illicit stimulant substances) as self-medication.
(In high school and college I remember saying "coffee makes me sleepy" and IN RETROSPECT, OMG.)
@mattdm I've dealt with ADHD my whole life. I self medicated with caffeine until I was officially diagnosed and then treated with Vyvanse but it would keep me up so had to stop. I could only vote for one of the options so I picked the "official Meds kept me up" option.
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Just curious. For the purposes of the poll, count coffee / mate and other caffeine (and any illicit stimulant substances) as self-medication.
(In high school and college I remember saying "coffee makes me sleepy" and IN RETROSPECT, OMG.)
@mattdm Visiting friends during evenings requires quietness (as background noise or music means I can't hear what they're saying) and literal liters of coffee to focus (and I still fall asleep on their couch shortly after most of the time 🫠).
And I usually have at least 2 - 3 generous cups of coffee in the day *before* the liter(s) of French press coffee at their place.
My whole family is like this too. We're all coffee fiends, requiring several cups per day to function at all.
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Just curious. For the purposes of the poll, count coffee / mate and other caffeine (and any illicit stimulant substances) as self-medication.
(In high school and college I remember saying "coffee makes me sleepy" and IN RETROSPECT, OMG.)
@mattdm both 1 and 2, to be honest? like... i bounce around between awakey and sleepy as i increase the amount of stims in me
so i think i'll go with the first option, because it's where i end up usually
fwiw i am typically on 60 mg vyvanse and a couple pints of iced coffee
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Just curious. For the purposes of the poll, count coffee / mate and other caffeine (and any illicit stimulant substances) as self-medication.
(In high school and college I remember saying "coffee makes me sleepy" and IN RETROSPECT, OMG.)
@mattdm it varies wildly, just a few months ago, I felt that caffeine would keep me up. A few years back, I would suffer from pretty bad insomnia, with or without caffeine. Now, I have fairly good sleep and I'm back to caffeine doesn't do much in terms of wakefulness.
I self medicate with THC, have never tried Ritalin / Adderall and have uncommon reactions to some drugs; cocaine doesn't do much and ketamine, which is an anesthetic, will keep me up. -
Just curious. For the purposes of the poll, count coffee / mate and other caffeine (and any illicit stimulant substances) as self-medication.
(In high school and college I remember saying "coffee makes me sleepy" and IN RETROSPECT, OMG.)
@mattdm I'm not really sure how to vote because my experience is very similar to yours. Vyvanse worked great for my symptoms but I slept a lot lighter, and I eventually decided I wasn't resting well enough. Adderall IR has been slightly less effective but now I go to bed in my normal manner, which is not unlike dropping an aircraft carrier's anchor
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Just curious. For the purposes of the poll, count coffee / mate and other caffeine (and any illicit stimulant substances) as self-medication.
(In high school and college I remember saying "coffee makes me sleepy" and IN RETROSPECT, OMG.)
@mattdm back in 1999, one of my study abroad cohort noticed how much black tea I drank in a day and commented "Wow. How mellow would you be if you WEREN'T always super caffeinated?" At the time, I knew I needed the tea, but I didn't know how to explain that actually, without it I'd seem like a squirrel on coke.
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Just curious. For the purposes of the poll, count coffee / mate and other caffeine (and any illicit stimulant substances) as self-medication.
(In high school and college I remember saying "coffee makes me sleepy" and IN RETROSPECT, OMG.)
@mattdm lolz at the balanced poll results. it's all a total chaos isn't it?
/me diagnosed, total squirrel brain. full package, called retarded in 90's, good grades but drove teachers nuts, (suspended) high school expulsion, hyperfocused afternoons at library
add coffee + book -- instant sleep
meth (and some adjacent chemicals) -- calm, focus, lot of room for thought, can put ideas and even emotions into words in more organized way. more listening, less talking
atomoxetine -- distractions no longer rewarding. eating not rewarding, hiding from cold not rewarding. staring into the wall for hours, unable to distract from difficult thoughts. dopamine no workey -
@mattdm lolz at the balanced poll results. it's all a total chaos isn't it?
/me diagnosed, total squirrel brain. full package, called retarded in 90's, good grades but drove teachers nuts, (suspended) high school expulsion, hyperfocused afternoons at library
add coffee + book -- instant sleep
meth (and some adjacent chemicals) -- calm, focus, lot of room for thought, can put ideas and even emotions into words in more organized way. more listening, less talking
atomoxetine -- distractions no longer rewarding. eating not rewarding, hiding from cold not rewarding. staring into the wall for hours, unable to distract from difficult thoughts. dopamine no workey@lkundrak @mattdm At the end of the day we're talking about weird levels of either or both production and reuptake of two different neurotransmitters, so it's a 4 variable problem that's completely in the analog domain. So it's not surprising the field of experiences is pretty evenly spread within the common results.
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