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What percentage of code in a Free and Open Source software project should be written by the core maintainers?

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  • dneary@mathstodon.xyzD dneary@mathstodon.xyz

    @evan Tough to answer "should" questions when the answer is different depending on the project's size and maturity. Early projects the answer is 100%, large mature projects, less than 25%. I made some assumptions and answered 25-50%.

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    @dneary This is why you're an Open Source guru, Dave.

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    • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

      What percentage of code in a Free and Open Source software project should be written by the core maintainers?

      #EvanPoll #poll #OpenSource #FreeSoftware

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      @evan i think a lower % can be a positive sign for the health of the project (lots of contributors, functioning line of succussion when maintainers move on), though it can mean a lot of things

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      • manchicken@defcon.socialM manchicken@defcon.social

        @evan as opposed to contributors? Or bots?

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        @manchicken or aliens!

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        • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

          @manchicken or aliens!

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          @evan I would genuinely love to meet an alien. Even if they have to kill me, I’d love to chat with them.

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          • manchicken@defcon.socialM manchicken@defcon.social

            @evan I would genuinely love to meet an alien. Even if they have to kill me, I’d love to chat with them.

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            @manchicken make some software they would like with an annoying but easy-to-fix bug!

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            • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

              @dneary This is why you're an Open Source guru, Dave.

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              @evan I'm no guru, Evan! "Self-described guru" maybe. Or "The Forrest Gump of open source" maybe - like James Monroe, always in the scene for historic events. Rarely the main character, always an extra.

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              • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

                What percentage of code in a Free and Open Source software project should be written by the core maintainers?

                #EvanPoll #poll #OpenSource #FreeSoftware

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                @evan I reject the premise of the poll.

                I'd like core maintainers to supply project direction and consistent purpose.

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                • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

                  What percentage of code in a Free and Open Source software project should be written by the core maintainers?

                  #EvanPoll #poll #OpenSource #FreeSoftware

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                  @evan it depends. I voted 25-50 because that's where I imagine medium sized projects which aren't thrown-over-the-wall and have some impact on society should probably be.... But anywhere from 1 to 100 based on the type of program, complexity of the code and approachability of the core team. Basically a big fat "it depends", but I know I can't vote for that, so I didn't.

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                  • lyallmorrison@cloudisland.nzL lyallmorrison@cloudisland.nz

                    @evan I reject the premise of the poll.

                    I'd like core maintainers to supply project direction and consistent purpose.

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                    @LyallMorrison @evan

                    Completely agree. The percentage depends a lot on both the age and scale of the project.

                    If a project has 100 active contributors, the mean contribution of new code will be 1% per contributor. How many of those are core? Maybe 10 or 20? So maybe there each writing 2-3% of new code and you have a decaying distribution? But that’s a moderately large project.

                    One of my projects started at 100% code written by me, but we did a release last year where none of the new code was written by me (it was all reviewed by me) and even the release was done by someone else, I just approved it. That’s a project with 2-3 moderately active contributors and a load of tiny drive-by contributors.

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                    • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

                      @manchicken make some software they would like with an annoying but easy-to-fix bug!

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                      @evan I’m pretty sure I already have. 🤣

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                      • lyallmorrison@cloudisland.nzL lyallmorrison@cloudisland.nz

                        @evan I reject the premise of the poll.

                        I'd like core maintainers to supply project direction and consistent purpose.

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                        @LyallMorrison what premise are you talking about? That code exists? That it is written by someone? The idea of percentages?

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                        • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

                          @LyallMorrison @evan

                          Completely agree. The percentage depends a lot on both the age and scale of the project.

                          If a project has 100 active contributors, the mean contribution of new code will be 1% per contributor. How many of those are core? Maybe 10 or 20? So maybe there each writing 2-3% of new code and you have a decaying distribution? But that’s a moderately large project.

                          One of my projects started at 100% code written by me, but we did a release last year where none of the new code was written by me (it was all reviewed by me) and even the release was done by someone else, I just approved it. That’s a project with 2-3 moderately active contributors and a load of tiny drive-by contributors.

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                          @david_chisnall @LyallMorrison so, which of those is best? For code quality, wellbeing of contributors, sanity and satisfaction of the maintainers?

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                          • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

                            @LyallMorrison what premise are you talking about? That code exists? That it is written by someone? The idea of percentages?

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                            @evan that core maintainers must write more than 0% of the code.

                            I'm being unnecessarily sassy about it, but I subscribe to a software development lifecycle where writing as little code as possible (but no less) is a virtue.

                            If a project maintainer _merely_ maintains scope, plans release timelines, manages technical contributors, writes comms and documentation, enforces quality standards... that's plenty of software development.

                            Or from another perspective, a healthy project should still be viable if they lose core maintainers for whatever reason. If there's only one person who could possibly maintain part of the project that's a red flag.

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                            • lyallmorrison@cloudisland.nzL lyallmorrison@cloudisland.nz

                              @evan that core maintainers must write more than 0% of the code.

                              I'm being unnecessarily sassy about it, but I subscribe to a software development lifecycle where writing as little code as possible (but no less) is a virtue.

                              If a project maintainer _merely_ maintains scope, plans release timelines, manages technical contributors, writes comms and documentation, enforces quality standards... that's plenty of software development.

                              Or from another perspective, a healthy project should still be viable if they lose core maintainers for whatever reason. If there's only one person who could possibly maintain part of the project that's a red flag.

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                              @LyallMorrison lol. Someone grilled me about having 0-25% in my last poll. Anyway, next time I'll include 0 for you.

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                                @david_chisnall @LyallMorrison so, which of those is best? For code quality, wellbeing of contributors, sanity and satisfaction of the maintainers?

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                                @evan @LyallMorrison

                                Each one, at different sizes and ages of a project.

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