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  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

    The answer to problems in sociotechnical systems is not always "more software", "better software" or "open source software".
    A lot of the time the best solution is _less software_ and sometimes even _no software_.

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    @tante

    Computers and all that goes with them cost a helluva lot more than paper.

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    • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

      The answer to problems in sociotechnical systems is not always "more software", "better software" or "open source software".
      A lot of the time the best solution is _less software_ and sometimes even _no software_.

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      @tante Or even if a software is made, an understanding of socioeconomic patterns that make users behave in certain ways is necessary. For example, the point of FOSS is so that the application vendor cannot force me to not use the app in certain ways or buy repairs from third parties. But if for security reasons an authentication signature by the vendor is demanded, what use is it to make the app open source? they can still control how I use or not use their app by holding credentials hostage.

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      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

        The answer to problems in sociotechnical systems is not always "more software", "better software" or "open source software".
        A lot of the time the best solution is _less software_ and sometimes even _no software_.

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        @tante Yes! Sometimes people just need to talk to each other.

        Some of my clients separated their company into individually run divisions. The employees in one don't talk to the other. Bu they do talk to IT and demand the COO to fix their human lack of communication with more tech.

        Like, no!

        Just talk to each other already. You work for the same company!

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        • aeveltstra@mastodon.socialA aeveltstra@mastodon.social

          @tante Yes! Sometimes people just need to talk to each other.

          Some of my clients separated their company into individually run divisions. The employees in one don't talk to the other. Bu they do talk to IT and demand the COO to fix their human lack of communication with more tech.

          Like, no!

          Just talk to each other already. You work for the same company!

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          @aeveltstra @tante

          Oh the number of times we were asked to force healthcare workers to do something via the EHR that they never had to do before the EHR ....

          So many requests to shift work from administrative functions on to providers.

          I'm sure it's still going on today.

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          • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

            The answer to problems in sociotechnical systems is not always "more software", "better software" or "open source software".
            A lot of the time the best solution is _less software_ and sometimes even _no software_.

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            @tante
            Regulation of large corporations and obscenely rich Capitalist individuals. Applying of existing laws they break.
            Both mostly think laws only apply to customers or average people.

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            • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

              The answer to problems in sociotechnical systems is not always "more software", "better software" or "open source software".
              A lot of the time the best solution is _less software_ and sometimes even _no software_.

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              @tante
              This may be also because most software designers fail to put their ethics first...

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              Are you curious about what all these " ethos " posts are about, and what they have to do with designing a software system? Well like most ...

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              (artinbsd.blogspot.com)

              #software

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              • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                The answer to problems in sociotechnical systems is not always "more software", "better software" or "open source software".
                A lot of the time the best solution is _less software_ and sometimes even _no software_.

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                @tante There is a Laurie Anderson installation at the Hirschorn modern art museum in DC with this astute observation.

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                • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                  The answer to problems in sociotechnical systems is not always "more software", "better software" or "open source software".
                  A lot of the time the best solution is _less software_ and sometimes even _no software_.

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                  @tante Since December 2025, Spotify's premier engineers have not written code by hand, as reported by TechCrunch. We have gotten what we have always dreamed of.

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                  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                    The answer to problems in sociotechnical systems is not always "more software", "better software" or "open source software".
                    A lot of the time the best solution is _less software_ and sometimes even _no software_.

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                    @tante This is what I've been saying.

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                    • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                      The answer to problems in sociotechnical systems is not always "more software", "better software" or "open source software".
                      A lot of the time the best solution is _less software_ and sometimes even _no software_.

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                      @tante human nature... He want more & more

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                      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                        The answer to problems in sociotechnical systems is not always "more software", "better software" or "open source software".
                        A lot of the time the best solution is _less software_ and sometimes even _no software_.

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                        @tante
                        Me using plaintext editors and considering a dedicated FreeDOS laptop.
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                        • wesgeorge@mstdn.socialW wesgeorge@mstdn.social

                          @tante There is a Laurie Anderson installation at the Hirschorn modern art museum in DC with this astute observation.

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                          @wesgeorge @tante medtech can save lives, though. like, maybe not the creepy AI notetakers that every doc seems to be using out here now, but i would be dead or a completely different person if not for modern neuroscience and imaging technology

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                          • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                            The answer to problems in sociotechnical systems is not always "more software", "better software" or "open source software".
                            A lot of the time the best solution is _less software_ and sometimes even _no software_.

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                            @tante
                            Like voting computers:
                            Local municipality went for these some years ago because they’re, like, shiny and “digital” and supposidly save time.

                            CCC (hacker’s association, ie: who everyone expected to be maximally excited about this) sued against these and had them found unconsitutional!

                            Why? Well, the consitution requires the ballot process to be understande and comprehensible by lay persons so that there never can be a situation where a claims of the vote having been rigged are impossible to verify. (We’re talking about hard power interests here after all.)

                            A vote conducted using a computer is not comprehensible by lay persons. Period.

                            Nerds would often be like: “But, but we could use blinded tokens, we could use zero-knoweldge proofs. It be completely verifiable!”
                            Yes, to like 2 people on Earth maybe!

                            To proof it to everyone else we’d need a papertrail and verify that. An activity generally refered to as “counting the votes”...
                            Might as well stick to that then.

                            #tech #techethics

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                            • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                              The answer to problems in sociotechnical systems is not always "more software", "better software" or "open source software".
                              A lot of the time the best solution is _less software_ and sometimes even _no software_.

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                              @tante oh you mean we don’t need 400 calendar applications that work exactly the same and use the same standard but are front different companies and don’t interact well with each other? I’m appalled by your comment

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                              • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                The answer to problems in sociotechnical systems is not always "more software", "better software" or "open source software".
                                A lot of the time the best solution is _less software_ and sometimes even _no software_.

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                                @tante yes

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                                • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                  The answer to problems in sociotechnical systems is not always "more software", "better software" or "open source software".
                                  A lot of the time the best solution is _less software_ and sometimes even _no software_.

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                                  @tante yeah feature creep is a big problem. Mostly caused because of capitalism IMO.

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                                  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                    The answer to problems in sociotechnical systems is not always "more software", "better software" or "open source software".
                                    A lot of the time the best solution is _less software_ and sometimes even _no software_.

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                                    @tante @SnoopJ “this SaaS could have been an email”

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                                    • c0dec0dec0de@hachyderm.ioC c0dec0dec0de@hachyderm.io

                                      @tante 100%, but also feels like a bit of a personal attack

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                                      @c0dec0dec0de @tante look, we each know what we did, and maybe we should just admit it

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                                      • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

                                        @tante @SnoopJ “this SaaS could have been an email”

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                                        @glyph @tante "this DHCP server could have been RFC 2322"

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                                        • snoopj@hachyderm.ioS snoopj@hachyderm.io

                                          @glyph @tante "this DHCP server could have been RFC 2322"

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                                          @SnoopJ @tante (me opening the bag labeled "RFC 2322")

                                          I don't know what I expected

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