" #Democrats deliver ‘stunning’ flip in New Hampshire special election, latest in series of 28 upsets"
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@benroyce No argument from me about voting in primary elections. However, counting on left leaning people to vote blue no matter who in general elections is a moronic mistake. It simply does matter who.
i completely understand the existence of morons who won't vote strategically, and hew to an idiotic conception of purity as their standard. and thus allow the country to fall to fascism since that is the only real world effect of their nonvote, no matter their motivations
trolls understand that too. that's why you see so much high holy indignation based on perfectionism
the only value of these useless lumps you think are making valid choices is helping MAGA
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@benroyce @proscience @fathermcgruder but isn't that the exact definition of learned helplessnes?
@kali @proscience @fathermcgruder
no argument. it's a complex topic. cynicism, perfectionism, helplessness... it's a troll psyop to suppress the left vote
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@kali @proscience @fathermcgruder
no argument. it's a complex topic. cynicism, perfectionism, helplessness... it's a troll psyop to suppress the left vote
@benroyce @proscience @fathermcgruder it's a good one, not gonna lie. taps right into the moment.
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@kali @proscience @fathermcgruder
no argument. it's a complex topic. cynicism, perfectionism, helplessness... it's a troll psyop to suppress the left vote
@benroyce @kali @proscience what is more helpless than voting for a party's candidate no matter what, even when they rub it in your face that they support material interests that are antithetical to yours?
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@benroyce @kali @proscience what is more helpless than voting for a party's candidate no matter what, even when they rub it in your face that they support material interests that are antithetical to yours?
@fathermcgruder @benroyce @proscience the q whether or not you want to die in iran.
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@fathermcgruder @benroyce @proscience the q whether or not you want to die in iran.
@fathermcgruder @benroyce @proscience sorry to be that blunt, but that is what spray tan hitler has planned for u.
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i completely understand the existence of morons who won't vote strategically, and hew to an idiotic conception of purity as their standard. and thus allow the country to fall to fascism since that is the only real world effect of their nonvote, no matter their motivations
trolls understand that too. that's why you see so much high holy indignation based on perfectionism
the only value of these useless lumps you think are making valid choices is helping MAGA
@benroyce @fathermcgruder I'm old enough to remember when the progressive watchword was "Listen to Black women." But when Black women said "I'm voting for Harris and you should too" suddenly that wasn't important anymore.
In 2024, 92% of Black women voted for Harris. It wasn't because they didn't care about Palestine. It's because Black voters know very well that every candidate is flawed and all votes are strategic. White people still refuse to take that lesson.
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@benroyce @kali @proscience what is more helpless than voting for a party's candidate no matter what, even when they rub it in your face that they support material interests that are antithetical to yours?
@fathermcgruder @kali @proscience
you improve the world with sustained iterative action
you #vote in the #primaries. get left #candidates. vote in the general. get #Democrats, left or not, to at least hold the line
rinse, repeat
what happens?
things slowly move left
the nonvoter waiting for magic pure leftist candidate from the dem establishment (!?) and wants perfection right now or they can't be bothered is a lazy entitled idiot watching fascism rise, with their help via their inaction
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i completely understand the existence of morons who won't vote strategically, and hew to an idiotic conception of purity as their standard. and thus allow the country to fall to fascism since that is the only real world effect of their nonvote, no matter their motivations
trolls understand that too. that's why you see so much high holy indignation based on perfectionism
the only value of these useless lumps you think are making valid choices is helping MAGA
@benroyce Individual voters cannot vote strategically. The math doesn't work that way. Strategy is for the campaigns. Attracting anti-genocide votes would be a good strategy for Democratic campaigns.
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@fathermcgruder @benroyce @proscience sorry to be that blunt, but that is what spray tan hitler has planned for u.
@kali @fathermcgruder @proscience
the nonvoter doesn't care. what's most important to them is "teaching the centrist democrats a lesson." that's their priority. trans rights, womens rights, immigrants rights, iran, etc: not as important to them
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@benroyce Individual voters cannot vote strategically. The math doesn't work that way. Strategy is for the campaigns. Attracting anti-genocide votes would be a good strategy for Democratic campaigns.
again with the inversion of reality
*you* show up in the primaries and get us left candidates
you don't wait for left candidates to come from centrist dems
that's stupid and insane
bad candidates do not create nonvoters
nonvoters (especially in the primaries) create bad candidates
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@kali @fathermcgruder @proscience
the nonvoter doesn't care. what's most important to them is "teaching the centrist democrats a lesson." that's their priority. trans rights, womens rights, immigrants rights, iran, etc: not as important to them
@benroyce @fathermcgruder @proscience completely different idea: follow @kathhayhoe. she has done research on political engagement (re:climate) and the results were perfectly clear: when people see there is a way for change - they engage.
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@benroyce @fathermcgruder I'm old enough to remember when the progressive watchword was "Listen to Black women." But when Black women said "I'm voting for Harris and you should too" suddenly that wasn't important anymore.
In 2024, 92% of Black women voted for Harris. It wasn't because they didn't care about Palestine. It's because Black voters know very well that every candidate is flawed and all votes are strategic. White people still refuse to take that lesson.
@liferstate @benroyce Listening does not mean agreeing. Come on now.
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@benroyce @fathermcgruder @proscience completely different idea: follow @kathhayhoe. she has done research on political engagement (re:climate) and the results were perfectly clear: when people see there is a way for change - they engage.
@kali @fathermcgruder @proscience @kathhayhoe
right
and mamdani is the lesson for all americans:
the democratic establishment threw up roadblock after roadblock
and people just kept on showing up and choosing mamdani
they didn't sit around whining that the democratic establishment, of all places, isn't handing them magic perfect left candidate
not voting is the *cause* of our problems, not an effect
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nonvoters are about masturbating their ego
the things they say they care about are only topics to showcase an aspect of "purity" to themselves about themselves
changing the world for the better doesn't mean a damn thing to them
there is no such thing as morality without action
and action is always messy in the real world
they can't handle that
so they choose the "purity" of doing nothing at all
and imagine somehow that they are still moral
nope. just ego
@benroyce @proscience @fathermcgruder yes, and I've seen these fucking "#Wedgies" that prefered to empower #Trump by refusing to vote…
- IMHO these people should be forced to shut up for the next 4 years, as they clearly couldn't be assed to vote to at least slow the #Enshittification…
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@fathermcgruder @kali @proscience
you improve the world with sustained iterative action
you #vote in the #primaries. get left #candidates. vote in the general. get #Democrats, left or not, to at least hold the line
rinse, repeat
what happens?
things slowly move left
the nonvoter waiting for magic pure leftist candidate from the dem establishment (!?) and wants perfection right now or they can't be bothered is a lazy entitled idiot watching fascism rise, with their help via their inaction
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@RustyRing @benroyce @fathermcgruder @kali @proscience that is the whole idea, as #UsefulIdiots refused to vote!
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nonvoters are about masturbating their ego
the things they say they care about are only topics to showcase an aspect of "purity" to themselves about themselves
changing the world for the better doesn't mean a damn thing to them
there is no such thing as morality without action
and action is always messy in the real world
they can't handle that
so they choose the "purity" of doing nothing at all
and imagine somehow that they are still moral
nope. just ego
@benroyce @proscience @fathermcgruder Non-voters are assholes. End of story.
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@fathermcgruder @kali @proscience
you improve the world with sustained iterative action
you #vote in the #primaries. get left #candidates. vote in the general. get #Democrats, left or not, to at least hold the line
rinse, repeat
what happens?
things slowly move left
the nonvoter waiting for magic pure leftist candidate from the dem establishment (!?) and wants perfection right now or they can't be bothered is a lazy entitled idiot watching fascism rise, with their help via their inaction
@benroyce @fathermcgruder @proscience it is not even iterative, btw. the "mamdani effect" - let's call it that, is a positive feedback that increased his popularity exponentially. so there is that.
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@liferstate @benroyce Listening does not mean agreeing. Come on now.
centrist dems aren't listening at all
we simply have to show up in the primaries and replace them
so any rationale that says "it is correct people should not vote until magic perfect candidate appears" is an inversion of reality and is only an approach that makes sure we drift further right
the simple reality is people need to show the fuck up in a giant mob and register the left candidate as their choice in their primaries
that is only way
