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The whole "AI" industry is just based on the hope that they can deskill people fast enough that they'll have to rent back cognitive support systems.

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  • artgeek@mastodon.socialA artgeek@mastodon.social

    @patrick_h_lauke @tante I actually prefer software subscriptions, so long as they’re reasonably priced. I’ve seen too many apps fade and die because their devs can’t afford to maintain them. I like open source, but we’ve convinced ourselves that software should be free, which is as much of a delusion as saying AI isn’t massive intellectual property theft.

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    @patrick_h_lauke @tante I will agree that large corporations are virtually forcing us into cloud storage and on demand downloads so that we’re dependent on them. I had to jump through hoops to keep local copies of my files.

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    • artgeek@mastodon.socialA artgeek@mastodon.social

      @patrick_h_lauke @tante I will agree that large corporations are virtually forcing us into cloud storage and on demand downloads so that we’re dependent on them. I had to jump through hoops to keep local copies of my files.

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      @ArtGeek @patrick_h_lauke @tante

      I prefer Davinci Resolve's model of selling permanent licenses to each major release. So you pay a few hundred bucks to own the software indefinitely, but if they release a version with a bunch of new features you can pay to upgrade. Much more ethical than subscriptions.

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      • contrasocial@mastodon.socialC contrasocial@mastodon.social

        @ArtGeek @patrick_h_lauke @tante

        I prefer Davinci Resolve's model of selling permanent licenses to each major release. So you pay a few hundred bucks to own the software indefinitely, but if they release a version with a bunch of new features you can pay to upgrade. Much more ethical than subscriptions.

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        @contrasocial @ArtGeek @tante ditto with CaptureOne, Ableton Live...

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        • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

          RE: https://social.coop/@cwebber/116217477822586442

          The whole "AI" industry is just based on the hope that they can deskill people fast enough that they'll have to rent back cognitive support systems. Forever.

          It's like Uber. Just that they don't try to break existing transportation infrastructures but your brain.

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          @tante Tell me you have no clue what intelligence is without admitting it.

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          • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

            RE: https://social.coop/@cwebber/116217477822586442

            The whole "AI" industry is just based on the hope that they can deskill people fast enough that they'll have to rent back cognitive support systems. Forever.

            It's like Uber. Just that they don't try to break existing transportation infrastructures but your brain.

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            @tante I am literally old enough to have heard Lewis Stauss say nuclear energy would be "too cheap to meter". I wonder what his / his contemporaries' great-grandchildren are thinking about that.

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            • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

              RE: https://social.coop/@cwebber/116217477822586442

              The whole "AI" industry is just based on the hope that they can deskill people fast enough that they'll have to rent back cognitive support systems. Forever.

              It's like Uber. Just that they don't try to break existing transportation infrastructures but your brain.

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              @tante where are more Luigis when you really need them...

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              • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                RE: https://social.coop/@cwebber/116217477822586442

                The whole "AI" industry is just based on the hope that they can deskill people fast enough that they'll have to rent back cognitive support systems. Forever.

                It's like Uber. Just that they don't try to break existing transportation infrastructures but your brain.

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                @tante So what is the point of being a human being? Altman and his AI mates are weapons of mass destruction.

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                • ftranschel@norden.socialF ftranschel@norden.social

                  @lritter @tante I think the answer to this question may put you in despair.

                  But don't fret; even good ol' Marie Antoinette already had an answer for that.

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                  @ftranschel @lritter @tante

                  So did Jacobins.

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                  • johnzajac@dice.campJ johnzajac@dice.camp

                    @tante

                    It's extra funny because his technology is garbage and is not capable, in any form, of replacing or even augmenting human intelligence.

                    Any database in which 20% of the data is wrong, but you don't know which 20%, is a database in which 100% of the data is useless.

                    He can dream shit like this up as much as he wants, but it's not going to happen.

                    No matter how much the Bosses shovel LLMs down our throats, they're never going to not be garbage.

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                    #56

                    @johnzajac He doesn't need to be able to genuinely improve the product. Just make a good enough sales pitch. Enshittification is the business model.
                    @tante

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                    • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                      RE: https://social.coop/@cwebber/116217477822586442

                      The whole "AI" industry is just based on the hope that they can deskill people fast enough that they'll have to rent back cognitive support systems. Forever.

                      It's like Uber. Just that they don't try to break existing transportation infrastructures but your brain.

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                      #57

                      @tante This is why we must - at any opportunity - choose not to outsource our own thinking.

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                      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                        RE: https://social.coop/@cwebber/116217477822586442

                        The whole "AI" industry is just based on the hope that they can deskill people fast enough that they'll have to rent back cognitive support systems. Forever.

                        It's like Uber. Just that they don't try to break existing transportation infrastructures but your brain.

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                        @tante Last week, I had someone on reddit claiming that programming will become an old man's hobby because of AI.

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                        • mikal@sfba.socialM mikal@sfba.social

                          @Quasit @tante

                          Do not fucking give them ideas!

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                          @Mikal @Quasit @tante Aren't we heading that way? They don't need to make it illegal, just completely defund education especially in poorer communities... they are already doing that.
                          Flaming torches and pitchforks (and the yanks keep on rattling about that their right to arm bears is to defend against a government that turns into dictatorship...)

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                          • iveyline@mastodon.nzI iveyline@mastodon.nz

                            @tante So what is the point of being a human being? Altman and his AI mates are weapons of mass destruction.

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                            @Iveyline @tante

                            Oh hey, #chatCEO talks about intelligence.

                            The take is absolutely correct. The purpose of AI is to enslave the population to concentrate economic and political power for instance.

                            My chief question with any piece of technology is who ends up with power.

                            This is the first question to answer before anything else

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                            • mikal@sfba.socialM mikal@sfba.social

                              @tante

                              This reminds me of a Johnny Mnemonic scenario, where any of us may have unauthorized data in our head that could be picked up by brain scans, resulting in criminal charges, civil liability and forced extraction.

                              *Torment Nexus is a warning not a business plan meme*

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                              @Mikal @tante

                              Not long ago, I had this thought about how individuals with dark triad personality traits, which include psychopathy in addition to Machiavellianism and narcissism is that they read out of dystopic science fiction something completely different than somebody who has functioning empathy.

                              Because they don’t have the mirror cells reacting to what’s described they can’t read the dystopia

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                              • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                RE: https://social.coop/@cwebber/116217477822586442

                                The whole "AI" industry is just based on the hope that they can deskill people fast enough that they'll have to rent back cognitive support systems. Forever.

                                It's like Uber. Just that they don't try to break existing transportation infrastructures but your brain.

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                                @tante It's not just based on hope, there is a lot of research going into making people dumb and brain control in general. I'm sure there are already more technological solutions to this problem, like neurolink and similar technologies.

                                IMHO the main idea here is that allowing people to run around without controlling their brains is very dangerous, who knows what they might think of.

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                                • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                  @mossman yeah I didn't find his argument very convincing tbh

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                                  @tante @mossman

                                  I don’t know what his argument is, but one thing I will ask about any technology is who ends up in control. With computers that people could buy for not so much money and software producing music became widely available. But we are not free of consolidated control of distribution. Musicians are still kind of fucked. See Spotify.

                                  If computers were AI processing is not widely available we’re fucked. There is already talk of personal computers being made for lease only.

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                                  • npars01@mstdn.socialN npars01@mstdn.social

                                    @tante

                                    Koch Network kept Uber & Lyfft afloat for a decade to thwart public transportation projects.
                                    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/19/climate/koch-brothers-public-transit.html

                                    Just a moment...

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                                    @Npars01 @tante

                                    irony in that they’ve installed a party and a president with who engaged in a war that will demonstrate yet again why global supply chains in this case the global supply chain dependent on oil, not only for energy, but as a feed stock necessary for their industrialized food, production and for the extraction of resources necessary not only for “green” energy but almost everything in the global supply chain infrastructure is fragile

                                    The great simplification is a thing

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                                    • johnzajac@dice.campJ johnzajac@dice.camp

                                      @tante

                                      It's extra funny because his technology is garbage and is not capable, in any form, of replacing or even augmenting human intelligence.

                                      Any database in which 20% of the data is wrong, but you don't know which 20%, is a database in which 100% of the data is useless.

                                      He can dream shit like this up as much as he wants, but it's not going to happen.

                                      No matter how much the Bosses shovel LLMs down our throats, they're never going to not be garbage.

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                                      @johnzajac @tante

                                      Altman’s superpower is as a mesmerizer.

                                      He is an extremely proficient con man.

                                      What the human race needs is a much more violent reaction to people like him in that they violently reject the con they just are allergic to it and treat people like him as the pariah he needs to be

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                                      • mossman@social.vivaldi.netM mossman@social.vivaldi.net

                                        @tante Rick Beato - of all people - made me much more optimistic this morning when he pointed out that far from "owning" the LLMs, all the tech bro companies will go the way of the big expensive music studios when everyone ends up doing it themselves on their own laptop. Excellent point well made, I think...

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                                        @mossman @tante maybe true, but the tech-bros will make sure the hardware needed will be out of reach or needs subs.

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                                        • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                          RE: https://social.coop/@cwebber/116217477822586442

                                          The whole "AI" industry is just based on the hope that they can deskill people fast enough that they'll have to rent back cognitive support systems. Forever.

                                          It's like Uber. Just that they don't try to break existing transportation infrastructures but your brain.

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                                          @tante the one thing companies have taught us over the years is that no one person and no one thing is irreplaceable, when it comes to cost spending nothing is always a businesses first priority...

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