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The whole "AI" industry is just based on the hope that they can deskill people fast enough that they'll have to rent back cognitive support systems.

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  • mossman@social.vivaldi.netM mossman@social.vivaldi.net

    @tante Rick Beato - of all people - made me much more optimistic this morning when he pointed out that far from "owning" the LLMs, all the tech bro companies will go the way of the big expensive music studios when everyone ends up doing it themselves on their own laptop. Excellent point well made, I think...

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    @mossman yeah I didn't find his argument very convincing tbh

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    • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

      RE: https://social.coop/@cwebber/116217477822586442

      The whole "AI" industry is just based on the hope that they can deskill people fast enough that they'll have to rent back cognitive support systems. Forever.

      It's like Uber. Just that they don't try to break existing transportation infrastructures but your brain.

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      @tante How quickly the supposed nonprofit mission of OpenAI has been forgotten in favor of "metered intelligence for sale."

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        @Quasit @tante

        Do not fucking give them ideas!

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        • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

          RE: https://social.coop/@cwebber/116217477822586442

          The whole "AI" industry is just based on the hope that they can deskill people fast enough that they'll have to rent back cognitive support systems. Forever.

          It's like Uber. Just that they don't try to break existing transportation infrastructures but your brain.

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          @tante Why does Sam Altman look like somebody put Frosty the Snowman's hat on a condom full of tapioca pudding and then kicked it in the head until it had brain damage?

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          • patrick_h_lauke@mastodon.socialP patrick_h_lauke@mastodon.social

            @tante and also, the whole power dynamic of shifting home/personal computing back to a mainframe that you need to buy time on. what has already happened with a lot of software moving to a "rent, but never own" model

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            @patrick_h_lauke @tante I actually prefer software subscriptions, so long as they’re reasonably priced. I’ve seen too many apps fade and die because their devs can’t afford to maintain them. I like open source, but we’ve convinced ourselves that software should be free, which is as much of a delusion as saying AI isn’t massive intellectual property theft.

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            • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

              RE: https://social.coop/@cwebber/116217477822586442

              The whole "AI" industry is just based on the hope that they can deskill people fast enough that they'll have to rent back cognitive support systems. Forever.

              It's like Uber. Just that they don't try to break existing transportation infrastructures but your brain.

              mikal@sfba.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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              @tante

              This reminds me of a Johnny Mnemonic scenario, where any of us may have unauthorized data in our head that could be picked up by brain scans, resulting in criminal charges, civil liability and forced extraction.

              *Torment Nexus is a warning not a business plan meme*

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              • artgeek@mastodon.socialA artgeek@mastodon.social

                @patrick_h_lauke @tante I actually prefer software subscriptions, so long as they’re reasonably priced. I’ve seen too many apps fade and die because their devs can’t afford to maintain them. I like open source, but we’ve convinced ourselves that software should be free, which is as much of a delusion as saying AI isn’t massive intellectual property theft.

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                @patrick_h_lauke @tante I will agree that large corporations are virtually forcing us into cloud storage and on demand downloads so that we’re dependent on them. I had to jump through hoops to keep local copies of my files.

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                • artgeek@mastodon.socialA artgeek@mastodon.social

                  @patrick_h_lauke @tante I will agree that large corporations are virtually forcing us into cloud storage and on demand downloads so that we’re dependent on them. I had to jump through hoops to keep local copies of my files.

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                  @ArtGeek @patrick_h_lauke @tante

                  I prefer Davinci Resolve's model of selling permanent licenses to each major release. So you pay a few hundred bucks to own the software indefinitely, but if they release a version with a bunch of new features you can pay to upgrade. Much more ethical than subscriptions.

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                  • contrasocial@mastodon.socialC contrasocial@mastodon.social

                    @ArtGeek @patrick_h_lauke @tante

                    I prefer Davinci Resolve's model of selling permanent licenses to each major release. So you pay a few hundred bucks to own the software indefinitely, but if they release a version with a bunch of new features you can pay to upgrade. Much more ethical than subscriptions.

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                    @contrasocial @ArtGeek @tante ditto with CaptureOne, Ableton Live...

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                    • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                      RE: https://social.coop/@cwebber/116217477822586442

                      The whole "AI" industry is just based on the hope that they can deskill people fast enough that they'll have to rent back cognitive support systems. Forever.

                      It's like Uber. Just that they don't try to break existing transportation infrastructures but your brain.

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                      @tante Tell me you have no clue what intelligence is without admitting it.

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                      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                        RE: https://social.coop/@cwebber/116217477822586442

                        The whole "AI" industry is just based on the hope that they can deskill people fast enough that they'll have to rent back cognitive support systems. Forever.

                        It's like Uber. Just that they don't try to break existing transportation infrastructures but your brain.

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                        @tante I am literally old enough to have heard Lewis Stauss say nuclear energy would be "too cheap to meter". I wonder what his / his contemporaries' great-grandchildren are thinking about that.

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                        • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                          RE: https://social.coop/@cwebber/116217477822586442

                          The whole "AI" industry is just based on the hope that they can deskill people fast enough that they'll have to rent back cognitive support systems. Forever.

                          It's like Uber. Just that they don't try to break existing transportation infrastructures but your brain.

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                          @tante where are more Luigis when you really need them...

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                          • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                            RE: https://social.coop/@cwebber/116217477822586442

                            The whole "AI" industry is just based on the hope that they can deskill people fast enough that they'll have to rent back cognitive support systems. Forever.

                            It's like Uber. Just that they don't try to break existing transportation infrastructures but your brain.

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                            @tante So what is the point of being a human being? Altman and his AI mates are weapons of mass destruction.

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                            • ftranschel@norden.socialF ftranschel@norden.social

                              @lritter @tante I think the answer to this question may put you in despair.

                              But don't fret; even good ol' Marie Antoinette already had an answer for that.

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                              @ftranschel @lritter @tante

                              So did Jacobins.

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                              • johnzajac@dice.campJ johnzajac@dice.camp

                                @tante

                                It's extra funny because his technology is garbage and is not capable, in any form, of replacing or even augmenting human intelligence.

                                Any database in which 20% of the data is wrong, but you don't know which 20%, is a database in which 100% of the data is useless.

                                He can dream shit like this up as much as he wants, but it's not going to happen.

                                No matter how much the Bosses shovel LLMs down our throats, they're never going to not be garbage.

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                                @johnzajac He doesn't need to be able to genuinely improve the product. Just make a good enough sales pitch. Enshittification is the business model.
                                @tante

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                                • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                  RE: https://social.coop/@cwebber/116217477822586442

                                  The whole "AI" industry is just based on the hope that they can deskill people fast enough that they'll have to rent back cognitive support systems. Forever.

                                  It's like Uber. Just that they don't try to break existing transportation infrastructures but your brain.

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                                  @tante This is why we must - at any opportunity - choose not to outsource our own thinking.

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                                  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                    RE: https://social.coop/@cwebber/116217477822586442

                                    The whole "AI" industry is just based on the hope that they can deskill people fast enough that they'll have to rent back cognitive support systems. Forever.

                                    It's like Uber. Just that they don't try to break existing transportation infrastructures but your brain.

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                                    @tante Last week, I had someone on reddit claiming that programming will become an old man's hobby because of AI.

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                                    • mikal@sfba.socialM mikal@sfba.social

                                      @Quasit @tante

                                      Do not fucking give them ideas!

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                                      @Mikal @Quasit @tante Aren't we heading that way? They don't need to make it illegal, just completely defund education especially in poorer communities... they are already doing that.
                                      Flaming torches and pitchforks (and the yanks keep on rattling about that their right to arm bears is to defend against a government that turns into dictatorship...)

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                                      • iveyline@mastodon.nzI iveyline@mastodon.nz

                                        @tante So what is the point of being a human being? Altman and his AI mates are weapons of mass destruction.

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                                        @Iveyline @tante

                                        Oh hey, #chatCEO talks about intelligence.

                                        The take is absolutely correct. The purpose of AI is to enslave the population to concentrate economic and political power for instance.

                                        My chief question with any piece of technology is who ends up with power.

                                        This is the first question to answer before anything else

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                                        • mikal@sfba.socialM mikal@sfba.social

                                          @tante

                                          This reminds me of a Johnny Mnemonic scenario, where any of us may have unauthorized data in our head that could be picked up by brain scans, resulting in criminal charges, civil liability and forced extraction.

                                          *Torment Nexus is a warning not a business plan meme*

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                                          @Mikal @tante

                                          Not long ago, I had this thought about how individuals with dark triad personality traits, which include psychopathy in addition to Machiavellianism and narcissism is that they read out of dystopic science fiction something completely different than somebody who has functioning empathy.

                                          Because they don’t have the mirror cells reacting to what’s described they can’t read the dystopia

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