US troops are not in Germany to protect Germany.
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US troops are not in Germany to protect Germany. They’re there because the US needs bases to conduct operations beyond the North American continent. If Trump withdraws them, he will harm the United States, not Germany.
It’s absurd how many Americans fail to grasp this.
@Strandjunker In the recent years I am more and more considering the US troops in Europe as an occupying force, not allies
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US troops are not in Germany to protect Germany. They’re there because the US needs bases to conduct operations beyond the North American continent. If Trump withdraws them, he will harm the United States, not Germany.
It’s absurd how many Americans fail to grasp this.
@Strandjunker 100% agreed. Although, when in fall last year several countries pulled their diplomats from IRN war already was implicated & the possibility openly discussed. Strategically USA pulling military out of GER does have advantages specifically for GER aside from a little financial loss. I'm very much interested though, where they are placed next & what the implications are. What puzzles me is Felon 47 pushing EU to gear up & finding new strength & allies.
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Spoken like someone separated from russia by several other countries and a stormy sea, not having experienced an invasion since the Vikings. russia abso-fucken-lutely remains a credible threat. Every day they kill civilians and occupy a nation that only wanted to be part of Europe.
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US troops are not in Germany to protect Germany. They’re there because the US needs bases to conduct operations beyond the North American continent. If Trump withdraws them, he will harm the United States, not Germany.
It’s absurd how many Americans fail to grasp this.
@Strandjunker withdraw them all and stretch your logistics.line by 3000 miles whilst still fighting in the middle east.
The man is an utter morons with the thinking capacity of a 6 year old
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US troops are not in Germany to protect Germany. They’re there because the US needs bases to conduct operations beyond the North American continent. If Trump withdraws them, he will harm the United States, not Germany.
It’s absurd how many Americans fail to grasp this.
@Strandjunker That's my opinion, too.
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@Strandjunker Americans just know as little from European countries as Europeans know about States in America.
And about those 5000 troops... He probably send that many to Germany to prepare for the Irak war, making it definitely a non-issue.
('How to have a PR 'war' about nothing, lesson xxx')
@vosje62 @Strandjunker the USa military has been placed in GER in 1945. Since 1985 the numbers of 250 000 troops have been continously fluctuating but generally reduced to currently < 40 000. Pulling 5 000 only has a little financial impact on GER no other impact at all. It is interesting though where these troops are going to.
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@aiuto @Strandjunker Not even close. The other two interested & capable contenders for 'world leader' are Russia & China. Whatever your beef is with the USA, you're not going to see a better world order emerge under either of them. Quite the opposite, in fact. We'd see imperialism re-embraced & nuclear enabled. Only a complete moron would see that as preferable.
@Beggarmidas @aiuto @Strandjunker
Neither Russia nor China are empires, to go back to your earlier point. I'm trying to work out why you say the USA isn't an empire while Russia and China engage in imperialism.
I've always assumed that when people call USA 'Empire', that they're making the same sort of analogy as you are with PLC and RF. -
@starraven @Strandjunker Only the ones paying attention to russia. Maybe some of the far right with links back to Moscow might share that position. But that's about it.
@Beggarmidas @starraven @Strandjunker the times when RUS troops walked across the ground to invade countries are over. Modern war is lead through air - those 5k troops don't change a thing for RUS or GER/EU strategies. The implications are made by where they are placed next.
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@Strandjunker Oh, don't worry: The Germans don't grasp it either. In the news they had quite a large bullshit bingo why this is bad for Germany (something about economy, maintaining workplaces, other foo).
Shifting the view to "having soldier from someone who might be your enemy tomorrow already in your land" is way to complex to get. They really do believe in dangers to "the economy"....
️@jesterchen @Strandjunker you seem to read weird news. GER news are picking up on the little impact 5k troops have on consume/economics simply for 1 good reason: completeness. Germans are many things, 1 of them is being percise. GER media reflects, that much of the US troops consume is specifically imported from USA soley for the troops. The remaining impact is mentioned to be percise not at all worried or sad.
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@Strandjunker isn't germany the default spot for the injured to go to
@grumpasaurus @Strandjunker yes, biggest usa medical hub outside the usa.
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US troops are not in Germany to protect Germany. They’re there because the US needs bases to conduct operations beyond the North American continent. If Trump withdraws them, he will harm the United States, not Germany.
It’s absurd how many Americans fail to grasp this.
@Strandjunker although it's had its stumbles, NATO has generally been a good thing. Mostly just as a deterrent. And this would massively damage its capability. Each country in NATO is fairly specialised. They all rely on the US to do the transport and logistics. All the heavy lift, most of the supply chain functions to get gear to the front lines and most of the tanker planes are American. Germany is the main shipping point from Europe.
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That's right. Many US veterans owe their lives to treatment they received at Ramstein after being wounded in action or accidentally injured in the Mideast or elsewhere. (So I'm told. No firsthand knowledge myself.)
@oldclumsy_nowmad @grumpasaurus @Strandjunker the biggest usa medical hub is in Bavaria, specialists & special treatment is applied there. Ramstein is the biggest US airbase outside the USA.
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US troops are not in Germany to protect Germany. They’re there because the US needs bases to conduct operations beyond the North American continent. If Trump withdraws them, he will harm the United States, not Germany.
It’s absurd how many Americans fail to grasp this.
Yes, he hurts a community of Germans temporarily until the economy had time to adjust to US military no longer contributing.
But otherwise, German bases are a bargain for the US. Much of the costs is funded by the German tax payer.
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US troops are not in Germany to protect Germany. They’re there because the US needs bases to conduct operations beyond the North American continent. If Trump withdraws them, he will harm the United States, not Germany.
It’s absurd how many Americans fail to grasp this.
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@Strandjunker Please tell this to our Mr. Merz! He dosen't know for sure!
Because many pepple here are scared because of Trumps announcement.
For me it's clear to see, like most of Trumps decisions, even this one is weaking US much more than Germany and EU!
@pictureman @Strandjunker the general opinion in EU/GER about USA troops being reduced is "yay". Generally the countries are very positive about being officially cleared to gear up again. GER/EU is not parading like you are used by from USA, they are very diplomatic & clever about this topic but scared they ate not. Who would have thought up to 18 months ago to ask GER to invest in military again!? Giving back GER a military influence & power is historically a big impact.
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@thegarbagebird
The economic crisis weakens currencies.There is a fair chance that Trump's crypto friends recognized a chance.
Trump might salivate over the fact that he gets a push button to wipe out any stablecoin account with a single command."All stablecoin issuers must possess the technical capability to seize, freeze, or burn payment stablecoins when legally required and must comply with lawful orders to do so."
https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/07/fact-sheet-president-donald-j-trump-signs-genius-act-into-law/ -
@thegarbagebird it doesn't mean that there aren't a bunch of influencers with brains in his orbit who take advantage of his character flaws and lack of brains.
@Guillotine_Jones
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It was an ambition of Netanyahu for decades, so it stands to reason that it was him who got Trump to join.
That doesn't mean Putin is not making the best of the situation and throws in his two cents after the fact.
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@aiuto @Strandjunker Not even close. The other two interested & capable contenders for 'world leader' are Russia & China. Whatever your beef is with the USA, you're not going to see a better world order emerge under either of them. Quite the opposite, in fact. We'd see imperialism re-embraced & nuclear enabled. Only a complete moron would see that as preferable.
@Beggarmidas your point of view is embossed by a typical USamerican view: 2 possibilities / either or. But there are many more possibilities & in all of those others the world is better off without a Felon 47 driven USA. You are right: no one wants a RUS / CHN driven world either - we are working on one of the other solutions & so far successfully building up new powers & allies. @aiuto @Strandjunker
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