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  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

    @Mourioche

    Une entité technologique ou gouvernementale pourrait connaître votre identité.

    Pourtant, je ne sais pas qui vous êtes.

    Les personnes qui lisent ceci ne savent pas qui vous êtes.

    Cela change tout.

    Si vous prenez la parole sur un sujet sensible – par exemple, les droits des personnes transgenres – vous devez désormais vous soucier de la possibilité qu'une personne intolérante lise vos propos quelque part.

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    @benroyce
    Oui mais ça, ça s'appelle le pseudonymat.
    Ce n'est pas l'anonymat, qui n'existe pas.

    Après je sais bien que ces politiciens entretiennent la confusion soit par ignorance soit par malhonnêteté.

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    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

      ' #Greece to ban #anonymity on #socialMedia

      "The major problem behind anonymity is toxicity," argues digital governance minister'

      They are correct: anonymity is a vector for #trolls, #harassment, #bigotry, and other antisocial behavior

      So the solution is #moderation

      The solution is not driving vulnerable people off social media

      Greek government: you ignoramuses

      Also I wonder how the fuck they will implement this

      Just a moment...

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      @benroyce "you have nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide"-ass mfs

      Dog I'm not doing any illegal shit, but I am saying and doing stuff I don't want my employer to know about. It's not rocket science.

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      • mourioche@mastodon.socialM mourioche@mastodon.social

        @benroyce
        Oui mais ça, ça s'appelle le pseudonymat.
        Ce n'est pas l'anonymat, qui n'existe pas.

        Après je sais bien que ces politiciens entretiennent la confusion soit par ignorance soit par malhonnêteté.

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        @Mourioche

        Si vous rejetez le concept d'anonymat, très bien.

        Dans ce cas, nous utiliserons votre terme : pseudonymat.

        Mais alors, l'argument en faveur de sa préservation revêt la même importance.

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        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

          @Mourioche

          Si vous rejetez le concept d'anonymat, très bien.

          Dans ce cas, nous utiliserons votre terme : pseudonymat.

          Mais alors, l'argument en faveur de sa préservation revêt la même importance.

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          @benroyce
          Lui bien sûr, doit être préservé à tous prix.

          Et aussi bien mettre en lumière que ceux qui l'attaquent entretiennent volontairement la confusion pour embobiner le monde : Pour ce qui est de l'anonymat il n'existe pas et il n'y a rien à légiférer la dessus.
          Les autorités ont déjà tout ce qu'il faut pour connaître une identité si elles le veulent.

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          • mourioche@mastodon.socialM mourioche@mastodon.social

            @benroyce
            Lui bien sûr, doit être préservé à tous prix.

            Et aussi bien mettre en lumière que ceux qui l'attaquent entretiennent volontairement la confusion pour embobiner le monde : Pour ce qui est de l'anonymat il n'existe pas et il n'y a rien à légiférer la dessus.
            Les autorités ont déjà tout ce qu'il faut pour connaître une identité si elles le veulent.

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            @Mourioche 🙏

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            • mourioche@mastodon.socialM mourioche@mastodon.social

              @benroyce
              Lui bien sûr, doit être préservé à tous prix.

              Et aussi bien mettre en lumière que ceux qui l'attaquent entretiennent volontairement la confusion pour embobiner le monde : Pour ce qui est de l'anonymat il n'existe pas et il n'y a rien à légiférer la dessus.
              Les autorités ont déjà tout ce qu'il faut pour connaître une identité si elles le veulent.

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              @benroyce
              Je rajouterais que pour moi le pseudonymat c'est comme un costume : On porte un costume différent selon là ou on va, et selon l'image que l'on veut montrer.
              Un speudo, c'est une identité.

              Personnellement j'ai plusieurs pseudos, pour des endroits différents sur internet.

              Ne pas porter de costume c'est être à poils.
              On ne sort pas dans la rue à poil, et bien pour internet c'est pareil.

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              • mourioche@mastodon.socialM mourioche@mastodon.social

                @benroyce
                Je rajouterais que pour moi le pseudonymat c'est comme un costume : On porte un costume différent selon là ou on va, et selon l'image que l'on veut montrer.
                Un speudo, c'est une identité.

                Personnellement j'ai plusieurs pseudos, pour des endroits différents sur internet.

                Ne pas porter de costume c'est être à poils.
                On ne sort pas dans la rue à poil, et bien pour internet c'est pareil.

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                @Mourioche

                J'apprécie votre philosophie.

                C'est simplement que je ne possède qu'un seul compte — celui-ci — et que mon véritable nom est Ben Royce.

                Je me tiens devant vous, nu.

                Mais je ne suis pas une personne trans. Ni un lanceur d'alerte. Ni un jeune qui explore de nouvelles facettes de sa personnalité. Etc.

                Je ne prétends pas que mon comportement doive servir de modèle à qui que ce soit d'autre.

                Pour moi-même, et pour personne d'autre, je prône une honnêteté brutale.

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                • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                  @Mourioche

                  J'apprécie votre philosophie.

                  C'est simplement que je ne possède qu'un seul compte — celui-ci — et que mon véritable nom est Ben Royce.

                  Je me tiens devant vous, nu.

                  Mais je ne suis pas une personne trans. Ni un lanceur d'alerte. Ni un jeune qui explore de nouvelles facettes de sa personnalité. Etc.

                  Je ne prétends pas que mon comportement doive servir de modèle à qui que ce soit d'autre.

                  Pour moi-même, et pour personne d'autre, je prône une honnêteté brutale.

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                  @benroyce
                  Personnellement je n'aime pas me montrer, et c'est pareil "IRL" en fait 🫠.
                  Question de préférence.
                  Et tout ça doit être un choix de chacun, un choix possible parmis d'autres.

                  Pour moi, ce "costume de nu" a le gros désavantage de ne jamais pouvoir en changer... C'est là son seul problème.

                  Et puis, un speudo on peut aussi parfois avoir beaucoup plus de consistance qu'une identité "réelle".
                  Prenez "Banksy" par exemple... Quel intérêt pour la plupart de connaître son nom "réel" ?

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                  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                    ' #Greece to ban #anonymity on #socialMedia

                    "The major problem behind anonymity is toxicity," argues digital governance minister'

                    They are correct: anonymity is a vector for #trolls, #harassment, #bigotry, and other antisocial behavior

                    So the solution is #moderation

                    The solution is not driving vulnerable people off social media

                    Greek government: you ignoramuses

                    Also I wonder how the fuck they will implement this

                    Just a moment...

                    favicon

                    (www.euractiv.com)

                    #Ελλάδα #Hellas #Europe

                    Link Preview Image
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                    @benroyce They probably figure since they have to ingest and store all of those IDs for age, they may as well snag the other info as well.

                    Predictable, I'm afraid. Every single country doing the age-gating shit will do this.

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                    • roknrol@beige.partyR roknrol@beige.party

                      @benroyce They probably figure since they have to ingest and store all of those IDs for age, they may as well snag the other info as well.

                      Predictable, I'm afraid. Every single country doing the age-gating shit will do this.

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                      @roknrol

                      yup. it's a trojan horse

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                      • mourioche@mastodon.socialM mourioche@mastodon.social

                        @benroyce
                        Personnellement je n'aime pas me montrer, et c'est pareil "IRL" en fait 🫠.
                        Question de préférence.
                        Et tout ça doit être un choix de chacun, un choix possible parmis d'autres.

                        Pour moi, ce "costume de nu" a le gros désavantage de ne jamais pouvoir en changer... C'est là son seul problème.

                        Et puis, un speudo on peut aussi parfois avoir beaucoup plus de consistance qu'une identité "réelle".
                        Prenez "Banksy" par exemple... Quel intérêt pour la plupart de connaître son nom "réel" ?

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                        @Mourioche

                        Je choisis de me tenir nu devant tout le monde, car cela procure une forme de discipline.

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                        • wattevans@mstdn.socialW wattevans@mstdn.social

                          @disorderlyf @benroyce Or Twitter/X or pretty much any other social media.

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                          @wattevans @benroyce I specify Facebook because of their "real name" policy and it's clear lack of mitigation of any toxicity whatsoever.

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                            @bridgeenjoyer @benroyce @kirakira
                            So if you have a psychotic significant other would you stay with them just because they already know "everything about you?" Because this is that scenatio with Fecesbook. 😉

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                            • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                              ' #Greece to ban #anonymity on #socialMedia

                              "The major problem behind anonymity is toxicity," argues digital governance minister'

                              They are correct: anonymity is a vector for #trolls, #harassment, #bigotry, and other antisocial behavior

                              So the solution is #moderation

                              The solution is not driving vulnerable people off social media

                              Greek government: you ignoramuses

                              Also I wonder how the fuck they will implement this

                              Just a moment...

                              favicon

                              (www.euractiv.com)

                              #Ελλάδα #Hellas #Europe

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                              @benroyce As with the kids bans around the world and the porn bans/ID checks in US states, it just pushes people from legitimate services that comply with the law over to shadier services that are in another country and DGAF. There are worse sites than Facebook and Twitter. Teenagers and incels will find them.

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                              • chrisp@cyberplace.socialC chrisp@cyberplace.social

                                @benroyce As with the kids bans around the world and the porn bans/ID checks in US states, it just pushes people from legitimate services that comply with the law over to shadier services that are in another country and DGAF. There are worse sites than Facebook and Twitter. Teenagers and incels will find them.

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                                @benroyce Facebook etc. apparently lobby for these requirements. The theory being that it is another bar to entry so the larger players will be able to implement it and won't lose as many users as the start ups, and they get to know the real ID of most of their users. It is very short sighted, it *will* impact new sign ups, it will affect which services people use.

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                                • chrisp@cyberplace.socialC chrisp@cyberplace.social

                                  @benroyce Facebook etc. apparently lobby for these requirements. The theory being that it is another bar to entry so the larger players will be able to implement it and won't lose as many users as the start ups, and they get to know the real ID of most of their users. It is very short sighted, it *will* impact new sign ups, it will affect which services people use.

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                                  @benroyce I'm hopeful it is the kiss of death for most of the big social media companies. Why would I use Facebook/Whatsapp when I can use Signal without proving who I am? Of course it also means that 4chan etc. will increase their user count, so it isn't all sunshine and roses.

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                                  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                    ' #Greece to ban #anonymity on #socialMedia

                                    "The major problem behind anonymity is toxicity," argues digital governance minister'

                                    They are correct: anonymity is a vector for #trolls, #harassment, #bigotry, and other antisocial behavior

                                    So the solution is #moderation

                                    The solution is not driving vulnerable people off social media

                                    Greek government: you ignoramuses

                                    Also I wonder how the fuck they will implement this

                                    Just a moment...

                                    favicon

                                    (www.euractiv.com)

                                    #Ελλάδα #Hellas #Europe

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                                    @benroyce Truth be told, I am rather toxic, even if cooked first. Don't eat any mushrooms you can't identify, kids. *Especially* if the log the mushroom is sprouting out of says, "Psst! Hey! Over here! Eat one of these mushrooms."

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                                    • log@mastodon.sdf.orgL log@mastodon.sdf.org

                                      @benroyce Truth be told, I am rather toxic, even if cooked first. Don't eat any mushrooms you can't identify, kids. *Especially* if the log the mushroom is sprouting out of says, "Psst! Hey! Over here! Eat one of these mushrooms."

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                                      @log

                                      don't listen to Log folks, you need fibre in your diet

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                                      • draken@masto.nycD draken@masto.nyc

                                        @bridgeenjoyer @benroyce @kirakira
                                        So if you have a psychotic significant other would you stay with them just because they already know "everything about you?" Because this is that scenatio with Fecesbook. 😉

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                                        @draken @benroyce @kirakira while true , it would be like if that psycho also lied to all your friends and told them you beat them, so if you leave them you have no contacts.

                                        Realistically I'm not giving them what they dont already have by just using messenger, knowing that every single thing I type is going right to zucc and their piece if shit ai.

                                        Its not worth being an isolationist to "stick it to the man". The fact is, they got you, even if you think they dont. Or live with 0 devices.

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                                        • bridgeenjoyer@gamepad.clubB bridgeenjoyer@gamepad.club

                                          @draken @benroyce @kirakira while true , it would be like if that psycho also lied to all your friends and told them you beat them, so if you leave them you have no contacts.

                                          Realistically I'm not giving them what they dont already have by just using messenger, knowing that every single thing I type is going right to zucc and their piece if shit ai.

                                          Its not worth being an isolationist to "stick it to the man". The fact is, they got you, even if you think they dont. Or live with 0 devices.

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                                          @bridgeenjoyer @benroyce @kirakira
                                          That is the kind of defeatist attitude the Big Tech broligarchs want you to have to keep extracting money out of your attention. Even if you ditch Meta but are still using some Google products you're still depriving Fuckerberg of money. Your real friends will leave Meta with you.

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