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  3. It finally happened, I interviewed a candidate who would not look at me the entire interview, and answered my questions directly to my male colleague.

It finally happened, I interviewed a candidate who would not look at me the entire interview, and answered my questions directly to my male colleague.

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  • hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchangeH hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange

    I realise it’s a cultural thing and I try to be culturally sensitive but I have plenty of global colleagues from very conservative backgrounds who can make compromises to work respectfully with a diverse team. It’s just too much.

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    @hacks4pancakes when i was 17, i tried to talk to an irish girl once, but she was so beautiful that my mouth just refused to cooperate. Could not speak. Nothing. I'm pretty sure my mouth moved a couple times without any sounds coming out.

    Soooo... What I'm saying is, this is almost certainly not what happened to that guy in your interview, but.. Who knows? 😄

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    • hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchangeH hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange

      It finally happened, I interviewed a candidate who would not look at me the entire interview, and answered my questions directly to my male colleague. Who isn’t a DFIR person.

      metacurity@infosec.exchangeM This user is from outside of this forum
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      @hacks4pancakes I once interviewed the CEO of a major Asian tech manufacturer after a speech he gave, and he answered someone standing next to me, a man who wasn't a journalist. I'd ask a question, he answered the man, and so it went. The CEO did not look at me once.

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      • metacurity@infosec.exchangeM metacurity@infosec.exchange

        @hacks4pancakes I once interviewed the CEO of a major Asian tech manufacturer after a speech he gave, and he answered someone standing next to me, a man who wasn't a journalist. I'd ask a question, he answered the man, and so it went. The CEO did not look at me once.

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        @metacurity @hacks4pancakes
        Longtime friend of mine, PhD engineer, overachiever — former astronaut corps (she never flew b/c Challenger), Arthur Andersen consultant — started a robotics company (one of many companies she founded) that specialized in "force feedback" (she contributed to the robotic arm on the space shuttle). She was so frustrated by the chauvinism she encountered during Asian business trips (*after* hiring a male partner to accompany her on those trips) that she sold her stake.😕

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        • runrichrun@mastodon.socialR runrichrun@mastodon.social

          @metacurity @hacks4pancakes
          Longtime friend of mine, PhD engineer, overachiever — former astronaut corps (she never flew b/c Challenger), Arthur Andersen consultant — started a robotics company (one of many companies she founded) that specialized in "force feedback" (she contributed to the robotic arm on the space shuttle). She was so frustrated by the chauvinism she encountered during Asian business trips (*after* hiring a male partner to accompany her on those trips) that she sold her stake.😕

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          @RunRichRun @hacks4pancakes So dispiriting.

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          • metacurity@infosec.exchangeM metacurity@infosec.exchange

            @RunRichRun @hacks4pancakes So dispiriting.

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            @metacurity @hacks4pancakes
            Sorry to see that decades later it appears not to have changed all that much.

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            • hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchangeH hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange

              It finally happened, I interviewed a candidate who would not look at me the entire interview, and answered my questions directly to my male colleague. Who isn’t a DFIR person.

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              @hacks4pancakes the most highly qualified candidate to replace me when I retired did exactly this. Even though I had introduced my boss, a woman, as the head of the department and the person making the final decision. I even reminded him partway through the interview that he should addressed his answers to her. The last step in our process was an interview with the president, we made sure she told him exactly why he wasn't getting the position.

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              • vonslatt@mas.toV vonslatt@mas.to

                @hacks4pancakes the most highly qualified candidate to replace me when I retired did exactly this. Even though I had introduced my boss, a woman, as the head of the department and the person making the final decision. I even reminded him partway through the interview that he should addressed his answers to her. The last step in our process was an interview with the president, we made sure she told him exactly why he wasn't getting the position.

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                @hacks4pancakes he was a middle-age American white guy, so no cultural issues here just pure misogyny.

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                • hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchangeH hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange

                  @malveus lol what, of course not

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                  @hacks4pancakes yeah just kidding 😆🤭

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                  • jztusk@mastodon.socialJ jztusk@mastodon.social

                    @hacks4pancakes

                    Note to male colleague: When you find yourself in this situation, do not return the look of the candidate. Direct your gaze at your female colleague. It makes it clear that she's the one the answer should be directed to, and perhaps the candidate might figure this out.

                    Also: not just for interview situations.

                    Also also: still don't hire the guy.

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                    @jztusk @hacks4pancakes

                    No. Don't do that. Instead, stop the show and politely remind the applicant WHO IS CONDUCTING THE INTERVIEW:

                    "One point of clarification, please. I'm here just to observe and record. Ms.Boss [gesture to her] is in charge of the interview and you should direct your answers to her."

                    If the candidate does not heed this instruction, terminate the interview. Then explain why.

                    That's it. No need to play games.

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                    • metacurity@infosec.exchangeM metacurity@infosec.exchange

                      @hacks4pancakes I once interviewed the CEO of a major Asian tech manufacturer after a speech he gave, and he answered someone standing next to me, a man who wasn't a journalist. I'd ask a question, he answered the man, and so it went. The CEO did not look at me once.

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                      @metacurity @hacks4pancakes I've been following UnseenJapan on here and some of the stories they post make me not want to visit Japan despite it being #1 on my list.

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