No idea if this story https://mastodon.social/@fesshole/116537976774839608 is actually true, but it does point out a problem.
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No idea if this story https://mastodon.social/@fesshole/116537976774839608 is actually true, but it does point out a problem.
https://arhsharbinger.com/18714/opinion/mocking-accents-spreads-unjust-offensive-stereotypes/
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No idea if this story https://mastodon.social/@fesshole/116537976774839608 is actually true, but it does point out a problem.
https://arhsharbinger.com/18714/opinion/mocking-accents-spreads-unjust-offensive-stereotypes/
@Dianora My problem is that I'm a mimic. I adapt to the accents around me. Back in university we had two to a room and two rooms shared a bathroom. One of my can-mates was two years off the boat from Vietnam and a top student, but his English was *heavily* accented.
Two weeks into the term, I'm having a conversation with him, my roommate comes in, and just stands there, confused. I ask him what's up?
"Now I can't understand either of you!"
So as it turns out when talking to my can-mate, I was also communicating in a heavy Vietnamese accent without even knowing it.
When out of town, the people I'm with get identified as tourists, and I get "but you're from here." One of these days I'll spend a few weeks in Scotland, Ireland, or Liverpool and when I get back my friends won't understand a word I say!
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@Dianora My problem is that I'm a mimic. I adapt to the accents around me. Back in university we had two to a room and two rooms shared a bathroom. One of my can-mates was two years off the boat from Vietnam and a top student, but his English was *heavily* accented.
Two weeks into the term, I'm having a conversation with him, my roommate comes in, and just stands there, confused. I ask him what's up?
"Now I can't understand either of you!"
So as it turns out when talking to my can-mate, I was also communicating in a heavy Vietnamese accent without even knowing it.
When out of town, the people I'm with get identified as tourists, and I get "but you're from here." One of these days I'll spend a few weeks in Scotland, Ireland, or Liverpool and when I get back my friends won't understand a word I say!
@alan So am I. βaccent mirroring,β
Turns out there is a ND link this article talks about ADHD but it applies to Autism as well...
https://www.upworthy.com/why-some-people-copy-accents-ex1/
I once had an embarrassing time when I started imitating a client on the phone and he called me out for it.
What we were talking about is purposeful mimicing not unconscious. On purpose is definitely racist.
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@alan So am I. βaccent mirroring,β
Turns out there is a ND link this article talks about ADHD but it applies to Autism as well...
https://www.upworthy.com/why-some-people-copy-accents-ex1/
I once had an embarrassing time when I started imitating a client on the phone and he called me out for it.
What we were talking about is purposeful mimicing not unconscious. On purpose is definitely racist.
@Dianora Yeah, doing it on purpose is definitely not a good thing.
And yeah, I figured my brain's ND relationship to the sound language makes was at the core of the adaptation.
Man if a client called me out for it, I'd be "it's not you, it's me, y'all." (I worked with some people from SC for a week and it took me months to lose the "y'all." Same with Baston (Boston) and "all set?") I think I have stored patterns for about six North American cities now. I find this a little disconcerting.
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@Dianora Yeah, doing it on purpose is definitely not a good thing.
And yeah, I figured my brain's ND relationship to the sound language makes was at the core of the adaptation.
Man if a client called me out for it, I'd be "it's not you, it's me, y'all." (I worked with some people from SC for a week and it took me months to lose the "y'all." Same with Baston (Boston) and "all set?") I think I have stored patterns for about six North American cities now. I find this a little disconcerting.
@alan I picked up a Syracuse NY accent once due to a hamfest. It can be very fast for me.
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@alan I picked up a Syracuse NY accent once due to a hamfest. It can be very fast for me.
@Dianora My poor roommate. I went from normal to unintelligible in like three days (so maybe four hours of conversation total). The VN kid switched schools after two weeks, so it didn't stick, thankfully.
For a few years we had a "vacation" place (*cough* money pit *cough*) in Upstate NY. I got a lot of "you don't sound Canadian." LOL
Years later I worked with a developer who went from Vietnam to Cambodia to China and then Canada. Now that was a truly mixed-up accent.
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@Dianora My poor roommate. I went from normal to unintelligible in like three days (so maybe four hours of conversation total). The VN kid switched schools after two weeks, so it didn't stick, thankfully.
For a few years we had a "vacation" place (*cough* money pit *cough*) in Upstate NY. I got a lot of "you don't sound Canadian." LOL
Years later I worked with a developer who went from Vietnam to Cambodia to China and then Canada. Now that was a truly mixed-up accent.
@alan Yes it is something we have to look out for. ;( OTH means I hear accents even faint ones very well. Of course there is a slight accent difference from here (Ottawa) to Toronto too! And lets not mention (I just did) the dying Ottawa valley accent (my maternal grandmother had it) https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/pickin-burries-the-ottawa-valley-dialect-1.1230443
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@alan Yes it is something we have to look out for. ;( OTH means I hear accents even faint ones very well. Of course there is a slight accent difference from here (Ottawa) to Toronto too! And lets not mention (I just did) the dying Ottawa valley accent (my maternal grandmother had it) https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/pickin-burries-the-ottawa-valley-dialect-1.1230443
@Dianora Toranna is actually close to LA, paced so quickly that we don nee no stinkin consonants.
In Ottawa, or anywhere else up the line, I have to stop saying "heighth" or bye that sounds like it's halfway between Toronto and Newfoundland.
I once heard an interview on the CBC with a prof from York university who studies accents and helped actors get it right. In the span of a few minutes he had the host speaking with a N. Ireland accent. I still want that prof's notes!
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@Dianora Toranna is actually close to LA, paced so quickly that we don nee no stinkin consonants.
In Ottawa, or anywhere else up the line, I have to stop saying "heighth" or bye that sounds like it's halfway between Toronto and Newfoundland.
I once heard an interview on the CBC with a prof from York university who studies accents and helped actors get it right. In the span of a few minutes he had the host speaking with a N. Ireland accent. I still want that prof's notes!
@alan Yes but Oddawa also has the soft t and the slight Irish lilt.
My direct ancestors are from N.I. always wondered if the Protestant father and Catholic mother was the reason they emigrated... (Robert Bruce (natch) and a Mary Kennedy)
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@alan Yes but Oddawa also has the soft t and the slight Irish lilt.
My direct ancestors are from N.I. always wondered if the Protestant father and Catholic mother was the reason they emigrated... (Robert Bruce (natch) and a Mary Kennedy)
@Dianora After 13 years there, I probably switch in and out of it without even knowing. They're all becoming less distinct though, thanks to the global reach of the net.
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