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  3. can someone explain to me why server motherboards are so fucking awful (it could also just be supermicro.

can someone explain to me why server motherboards are so fucking awful (it could also just be supermicro.

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  • scherzog@mastodon.gamedev.placeS scherzog@mastodon.gamedev.place

    @schrotthaufen @whitequark With just a little bit of tuning the CPU, RAM and PCI parameters you'll even have time to grow, harvest and roast your own beans for that!

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    @scherzog @whitequark I could use the excess heat to roast the beans!! 🤯

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    • schrotthaufen@mastodon.socialS schrotthaufen@mastodon.social

      @whitequark Easy. Sleep till 9am, work from 10:30am - 5pm (incl. *excellent* dinner), clock out, don’t touch servers in my free time, and get a adequate monetary compensation 😛

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      @schrotthaufen i touch servers only in my free time

      truly, if hell on earth exists this is it

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      • ocdtrekkie@mastodon.socialO ocdtrekkie@mastodon.social

        @jernej__s @whitequark @grumpybozo My first AMD EPYC-based servers came with a notice they may take up to 30 minutes to boot the first time. They are a little better now.

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        @ocdtrekkie @jernej__s @grumpybozo jesus christ

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        • ocdtrekkie@mastodon.socialO ocdtrekkie@mastodon.social

          @jernej__s @whitequark @grumpybozo My first AMD EPYC-based servers came with a notice they may take up to 30 minutes to boot the first time. They are a little better now.

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          @ocdtrekkie @whitequark @grumpybozo Some early DDR5 motherboards also came with stickers warning you that the first boot may take 10-20 minutes without showing anything on the screen.

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          • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

            at least the tax code is rational and easy to comprehend. comparatively

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            i like how half the responses to this are like "you haven't seen even half the ways in which these motherboards suck. you are like a little baby" and honestly i'm both impressed and scared

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            • jernej__s@infosec.exchangeJ jernej__s@infosec.exchange

              @ocdtrekkie @whitequark @grumpybozo Some early DDR5 motherboards also came with stickers warning you that the first boot may take 10-20 minutes without showing anything on the screen.

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              @jernej__s @whitequark @grumpybozo Yeah, these are early DDR5s.

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              • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                @schrotthaufen i touch servers only in my free time

                truly, if hell on earth exists this is it

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                @whitequark My deepest condolences

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                • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                  i like how half the responses to this are like "you haven't seen even half the ways in which these motherboards suck. you are like a little baby" and honestly i'm both impressed and scared

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                  i feel like my next step is, once again, foregoing any remote administration capacity the manufacturer may have allegedly put into the board and just set an IP camera pointing at the screen

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                  • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                    i feel like my next step is, once again, foregoing any remote administration capacity the manufacturer may have allegedly put into the board and just set an IP camera pointing at the screen

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                    @whitequark Get a JetKVM and use that?

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                    • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                      i feel like my next step is, once again, foregoing any remote administration capacity the manufacturer may have allegedly put into the board and just set an IP camera pointing at the screen

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                      @whitequark do you happen to have access to a KVM like the nanokvm?

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                      • cadey@pony.socialC cadey@pony.social

                        @whitequark do you happen to have access to a KVM like the nanokvm?

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                        @cadey no (although it is dawning on me why that specific product category exists)

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                        • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                          i like how half the responses to this are like "you haven't seen even half the ways in which these motherboards suck. you are like a little baby" and honestly i'm both impressed and scared

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                          @whitequark Assuming the board is new enough and you manage to wake up IPMI, you might find out that using virtual media is locked behind a paywall (OTOH, this apparently only applies to HTML5 – if you use Java, virtual media supposedly works without needing to unlock it).

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                          • jernej__s@infosec.exchangeJ jernej__s@infosec.exchange

                            @whitequark Assuming the board is new enough and you manage to wake up IPMI, you might find out that using virtual media is locked behind a paywall (OTOH, this apparently only applies to HTML5 – if you use Java, virtual media supposedly works without needing to unlock it).

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                            @jernej__s what the ever living fuck

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                            • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                              @cadey no (although it is dawning on me why that specific product category exists)

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                              @whitequark Yeah I've been meaning to pick some of them up, I'm also running into the kinds of problems where I realize whey they exist

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                                @whitequark do you happen to have access to a KVM like the nanokvm?

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                                @cadey @whitequark I love how the janky things that I could theoretically do with an SBC, a peripheral or two, and free software are actual products that I can buy instead of cobbling together like a mad person

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                                • cadey@pony.socialC cadey@pony.social

                                  @whitequark Yeah I've been meaning to pick some of them up, I'm also running into the kinds of problems where I realize whey they exist

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                                  @cadey @whitequark we have a JetKVM and it's pretty great. Pikvm also exists.

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                                  • astraluma@tacobelllabs.netA astraluma@tacobelllabs.net

                                    @cadey @whitequark we have a JetKVM and it's pretty great. Pikvm also exists.

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                                    @cadey @whitequark I did up https://www.printables.com/model/1385674-jetkvm-525-flush-mount-v13 to mount our JetKVM. Major downside is that you need to loop-cable the video (and maybe others).

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                                    • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                                      @cadey no (although it is dawning on me why that specific product category exists)

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                                      @whitequark @cadey we had some good luck with PiKVM over here. Better than those tiny MCU based solutions so far. After setting it up the FS can be set to read only making it reliable despite being based on RPi…

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                                      • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                                        @elly i've sat here for ten minutes and the BMC that claims to be alive doesn't respond to arping

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                                        @whitequark @elly

                                        Is that the BMC where they enabled ssh auth password authentication for root logins and the same root password on every single board?

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                                        • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                                          @jernej__s what the ever living fuck

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                                          @whitequark Hey, if it was a Dell or HP or Lenovo, the remote console itself is locked behind a paywall (on HP you can use it for BIOS config, but it stops working a few minutes after the OS starts booting).

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