can someone explain to me why server motherboards are so fucking awful (it could also just be supermicro.
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@grumpybozo long POST times are just DRAM being DRAM. i don't mind that too much. every motherboard is gonna have that problem to some extent
@whitequark @grumpybozo 19 years ago I worked on an IBM eServer that didn't let you turn it on for 5 minutes after connecting power, and then took 15 minutes to get through POST. Was probably the first server with UEFI that I encountered.
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@whitequark The one Dell server I operate takes even longer to boot than the Supermicro ones. Oh it’s POST’ing? Time to go and boil a cuppa
@schrotthaufen @whitequark With just a little bit of tuning the CPU, RAM and PCI parameters you'll even have time to grow, harvest and roast your own beans for that!
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@schrotthaufen how do u live like this
@whitequark Easy. Sleep till 9am, work from 10:30am - 5pm (incl. *excellent* dinner), clock out, don’t touch servers in my free time, and get a adequate monetary compensation
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@whitequark @grumpybozo 19 years ago I worked on an IBM eServer that didn't let you turn it on for 5 minutes after connecting power, and then took 15 minutes to get through POST. Was probably the first server with UEFI that I encountered.
@jernej__s @whitequark @grumpybozo My first AMD EPYC-based servers came with a notice they may take up to 30 minutes to boot the first time. They are a little better now.
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@schrotthaufen @whitequark With just a little bit of tuning the CPU, RAM and PCI parameters you'll even have time to grow, harvest and roast your own beans for that!
@scherzog @whitequark I could use the excess heat to roast the beans!! 🤯
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@whitequark Easy. Sleep till 9am, work from 10:30am - 5pm (incl. *excellent* dinner), clock out, don’t touch servers in my free time, and get a adequate monetary compensation
@schrotthaufen i touch servers only in my free time
truly, if hell on earth exists this is it
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@jernej__s @whitequark @grumpybozo My first AMD EPYC-based servers came with a notice they may take up to 30 minutes to boot the first time. They are a little better now.
@ocdtrekkie @jernej__s @grumpybozo jesus christ
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@jernej__s @whitequark @grumpybozo My first AMD EPYC-based servers came with a notice they may take up to 30 minutes to boot the first time. They are a little better now.
@ocdtrekkie @whitequark @grumpybozo Some early DDR5 motherboards also came with stickers warning you that the first boot may take 10-20 minutes without showing anything on the screen.
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at least the tax code is rational and easy to comprehend. comparatively
i like how half the responses to this are like "you haven't seen even half the ways in which these motherboards suck. you are like a little baby" and honestly i'm both impressed and scared
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@ocdtrekkie @whitequark @grumpybozo Some early DDR5 motherboards also came with stickers warning you that the first boot may take 10-20 minutes without showing anything on the screen.
@jernej__s @whitequark @grumpybozo Yeah, these are early DDR5s.
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@schrotthaufen i touch servers only in my free time
truly, if hell on earth exists this is it
@whitequark My deepest condolences
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i like how half the responses to this are like "you haven't seen even half the ways in which these motherboards suck. you are like a little baby" and honestly i'm both impressed and scared
i feel like my next step is, once again, foregoing any remote administration capacity the manufacturer may have allegedly put into the board and just set an IP camera pointing at the screen
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i feel like my next step is, once again, foregoing any remote administration capacity the manufacturer may have allegedly put into the board and just set an IP camera pointing at the screen
@whitequark Get a JetKVM and use that?
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i feel like my next step is, once again, foregoing any remote administration capacity the manufacturer may have allegedly put into the board and just set an IP camera pointing at the screen
@whitequark do you happen to have access to a KVM like the nanokvm?
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@whitequark do you happen to have access to a KVM like the nanokvm?
@cadey no (although it is dawning on me why that specific product category exists)
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i like how half the responses to this are like "you haven't seen even half the ways in which these motherboards suck. you are like a little baby" and honestly i'm both impressed and scared
@whitequark Assuming the board is new enough and you manage to wake up IPMI, you might find out that using virtual media is locked behind a paywall (OTOH, this apparently only applies to HTML5 – if you use Java, virtual media supposedly works without needing to unlock it).
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@whitequark Assuming the board is new enough and you manage to wake up IPMI, you might find out that using virtual media is locked behind a paywall (OTOH, this apparently only applies to HTML5 – if you use Java, virtual media supposedly works without needing to unlock it).
@jernej__s what the ever living fuck
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@cadey no (although it is dawning on me why that specific product category exists)
@whitequark Yeah I've been meaning to pick some of them up, I'm also running into the kinds of problems where I realize whey they exist
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@whitequark do you happen to have access to a KVM like the nanokvm?
@cadey @whitequark I love how the janky things that I could theoretically do with an SBC, a peripheral or two, and free software are actual products that I can buy instead of cobbling together like a mad person
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@whitequark Yeah I've been meaning to pick some of them up, I'm also running into the kinds of problems where I realize whey they exist
@cadey @whitequark we have a JetKVM and it's pretty great. Pikvm also exists.
