You can't put the genie back in the bottle 🤡
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Obviously, the models are going to continue to exist. Probably. So will the data sets, the libraries, and the generalized knowledge of how to build them and what that gets you, in a technical sense.
And if you think that's what AI is?
@jenniferplusplus This thread is
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@jenniferplusplus @cairobraga Apple has run out of most Mac Studio and Mini models because there are so many people who understand this, and do not wish to be subservient to the cloud any longer. Silver lining: Another crack at a world where every household as a decent server and every neighborhood has a small tech geeks co-op to steward them.
@slowenough @jenniferplusplus @cairobraga I love the idea of neighborhood IT co-ops. Fo any actually exist? Are there resources to help set this sort of thing up?
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@jenniferplusplus Recently called it "a social weapon masquerading as a technology" because of ALL of this and more.
@joshuaelliott @jenniferplusplus The GPT has been weaponized. The noosphere is under assault. The contingency must be handled. The consequences are potentially species ending. AGI and ASI are fantasies here -- the true adversaries are human. The really sad part is that the technology isn't even fit for purpose, but the market fundamentalist vs state capitalist factions are using it to engage in what is a noospheric hot war. The Potemkin effect in mass media: Total Information Warfare.
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@joshuaelliott @jenniferplusplus The GPT has been weaponized. The noosphere is under assault. The contingency must be handled. The consequences are potentially species ending. AGI and ASI are fantasies here -- the true adversaries are human. The really sad part is that the technology isn't even fit for purpose, but the market fundamentalist vs state capitalist factions are using it to engage in what is a noospheric hot war. The Potemkin effect in mass media: Total Information Warfare.
@joshuaelliott @jenniferplusplus The "garden rake" effect of GenAI technologies is something to behold. I literally cannot use LLMs in particular for serious computer science applications without engaging in the same prompt/context/temperature adjustment boondoggles, even if I do, I'm up against proprietary system prompting and token burn, and it's a distraction from my actual work. I could just pivot to deep learning but down that road leads future serfdom.
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So you can see how that genie is extremely prone to returning to it's bottle.
It only stays out as long as they can keep shoveling an ever increasing amount of real resources into it. And it turns out the resources available are finite
Anyway, AI fans keep claiming that AI is like the industrial revolution, and yeah, it is. But somehow, for some reason, people broadly view that as a good thing. But it wasn't. It was this. It's the thing I just described, but for physical goods. And now they're coming after art, and science, and correspondence, and law, and medicine, and bookkeeping, and it is incomprehensible to me that anyone at all would be in favor of this
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Anyway, AI fans keep claiming that AI is like the industrial revolution, and yeah, it is. But somehow, for some reason, people broadly view that as a good thing. But it wasn't. It was this. It's the thing I just described, but for physical goods. And now they're coming after art, and science, and correspondence, and law, and medicine, and bookkeeping, and it is incomprehensible to me that anyone at all would be in favor of this
@jenniferplusplus
It is a lot like the industrial revolution: depressing wages, degrading working conditions, and destroying the environment -
You can't put the genie back in the bottle
Meanwhile, the genie is only kept out of the bottle by the force of literally the entirety of the world's available investment capital
@jenniferplusplus I look at it like the blockchain, and NFT crazes we went through. Those genies are still out of the bottle but it doesn't occupy too much attention any more.
I worked at an AI startup for a while (I needed a job) and the CEO cited both those periods for his current company.
I think AI might have more staying power as it can be used (for good and bad) by regular folks, but I think the bubble is busting open soon enough. That job I had showed me that the market isn't there.
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@slowenough @jenniferplusplus @cairobraga I love the idea of neighborhood IT co-ops. Fo any actually exist? Are there resources to help set this sort of thing up?
@RedFacedUakari @jenniferplusplus @cairobraga There are definitely a bunch of co-op incubators out there, for example: https://belovedcommunityincubator.org/
I don't know of any neighborhood tech co-ops, but people's interest in switching away from big tech providers is pretty high right now, so I believe there is hope at least for many small tech co-ops to succeed even if they couldn't yet make a living doing tech infrastructure & support for literally just their neighborhood. #cooperatives
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For the record, AI is a technocratic political project for the purpose of industrializing knowledge work.
That industrialization of knowledge work has 2 parts. First, is mechanization. Making knowledge work dependent on some particular machine. This is already the case, with computers generally. Knowledge work is thoroughly computerized. But, those computers are small, cheap, universally available commodities. That doesn't serve the second part, so they're forcing in new layers of mechanization, and removing access to the old machines.
Second, they ensure those machines can only be obtained through large investments of capital. Thus, all knowledge work can be done only at the pleasure of the capitalists who own the machines. Personal computers don't help them, there. But a black box hosted service that consumes the entire web to build and a whole country's worth of electricity to operate sure as hell does.
"AI" is merely the banner under which they are organizing and justifying this project. The implementation details are just the implementation details.
@jenniferplusplus so now the knowledge work gets the knowledge work https://aworkinglibrary.com/writing/knowledge-workers
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@geoffcmason
Can't await the first attempt of an AI-center to exploit other AI-centers to stay on top of the energy-supply-chain. -
For the record, AI is a technocratic political project for the purpose of industrializing knowledge work.
That industrialization of knowledge work has 2 parts. First, is mechanization. Making knowledge work dependent on some particular machine. This is already the case, with computers generally. Knowledge work is thoroughly computerized. But, those computers are small, cheap, universally available commodities. That doesn't serve the second part, so they're forcing in new layers of mechanization, and removing access to the old machines.
Second, they ensure those machines can only be obtained through large investments of capital. Thus, all knowledge work can be done only at the pleasure of the capitalists who own the machines. Personal computers don't help them, there. But a black box hosted service that consumes the entire web to build and a whole country's worth of electricity to operate sure as hell does.
"AI" is merely the banner under which they are organizing and justifying this project. The implementation details are just the implementation details.
@jenniferplusplus one of the oddities that allowed computers to be relatively open with interchangeable components is the historical accident where IBM was dominant in the world of mainframes, when they were late to the PC party they accidentally created an open standard
This was not intentional on their part - they aimed to make a closed system from the start
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For the record, AI is a technocratic political project for the purpose of industrializing knowledge work.
That industrialization of knowledge work has 2 parts. First, is mechanization. Making knowledge work dependent on some particular machine. This is already the case, with computers generally. Knowledge work is thoroughly computerized. But, those computers are small, cheap, universally available commodities. That doesn't serve the second part, so they're forcing in new layers of mechanization, and removing access to the old machines.
Second, they ensure those machines can only be obtained through large investments of capital. Thus, all knowledge work can be done only at the pleasure of the capitalists who own the machines. Personal computers don't help them, there. But a black box hosted service that consumes the entire web to build and a whole country's worth of electricity to operate sure as hell does.
"AI" is merely the banner under which they are organizing and justifying this project. The implementation details are just the implementation details.
@jenniferplusplus How are they removing access to the old machines?
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@jenniferplusplus How are they removing access to the old machines?
@matt @jenniferplusplus I assume this is a commentary on the increasing lockdown of devices, attestation, etc. especially in the mobile sector and especially for lower end consumer devices. What Cory Doctorow might call 'the war on general purpose computing'.
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@joshuaelliott @jenniferplusplus The "garden rake" effect of GenAI technologies is something to behold. I literally cannot use LLMs in particular for serious computer science applications without engaging in the same prompt/context/temperature adjustment boondoggles, even if I do, I'm up against proprietary system prompting and token burn, and it's a distraction from my actual work. I could just pivot to deep learning but down that road leads future serfdom.
@joshuaelliott @jenniferplusplus The problem of knowledge work vs public policy is convincing the body politic: "It's hard for people who have had, let's say 20 or more years of schooling to understand that there are people out there who think that
education is a lie." -- @mattsheffield -
You can't put the genie back in the bottle
Meanwhile, the genie is only kept out of the bottle by the force of literally the entirety of the world's available investment capital
@jenniferplusplus Everybody, read this thread ^^^
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@slowenough @jenniferplusplus @cairobraga I love the idea of neighborhood IT co-ops. Fo any actually exist? Are there resources to help set this sort of thing up?
@RedFacedUakari
> I love the idea of neighborhood ITI wish but neighborhood barely works for social exchange and common good, so "IT", don't hold your breath.
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@jenniferplusplus @cairobraga Apple has run out of most Mac Studio and Mini models because there are so many people who understand this, and do not wish to be subservient to the cloud any longer. Silver lining: Another crack at a world where every household as a decent server and every neighborhood has a small tech geeks co-op to steward them.
@slowenough @jenniferplusplus @cairobraga
Mac is a wrong solution, Apple can control these devices and make it unusable, even if you are in your rights.
Honestly, I don't see how Europe would let it happen, I mean locking down hardware/software, even if they bring back manufacturing and were leading their own software. If it happens it's purely to serve US interests.
I don't want to wait for a pseudo moderate/democrat US president (this guy is not acting alone), we must cut it off now!
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@RedFacedUakari
> I love the idea of neighborhood ITI wish but neighborhood barely works for social exchange and common good, so "IT", don't hold your breath.
@omar @RedFacedUakari @jenniferplusplus @cairobraga Yes, local IT co-ops are unlikely to happen in isolation, and more likely to happen in the context of general rising of local community, mutual aid, and other neighborhood-scale organizing. City Repair in Portland, Oregon has worked on this sort of thing a bit, I'm sure there are many others.
People are getting rather organized in many places right now to defend others in their communities, so, many opportunities for community-building!
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@slowenough @jenniferplusplus @cairobraga
Mac is a wrong solution, Apple can control these devices and make it unusable, even if you are in your rights.
Honestly, I don't see how Europe would let it happen, I mean locking down hardware/software, even if they bring back manufacturing and were leading their own software. If it happens it's purely to serve US interests.
I don't want to wait for a pseudo moderate/democrat US president (this guy is not acting alone), we must cut it off now!
@omar @jenniferplusplus @cairobraga Oh yeah I wasn't suggesting everyone get a Mac, just pointing to it as an indication of a rapid increase in the number of people who are buying hardware so that they can run models locally.
That suggests it is a good time for new PC makers to get into the market!
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@omar @jenniferplusplus @cairobraga Oh yeah I wasn't suggesting everyone get a Mac, just pointing to it as an indication of a rapid increase in the number of people who are buying hardware so that they can run models locally.
That suggests it is a good time for new PC makers to get into the market!
@slowenough @jenniferplusplus @cairobraga
Just to clarify, It might sound like an anti-american stance, but it's not, I call for better balance and diversity.
