Bullies like to say that "might makes right" but they don't *really* want to live by those words.
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I cannot take this seriously. I do not have the energy to try and sort out any real harm from the fake drama.
And I don't trust anything the white-house says since they lie so much.
@futurebird @ireneista That's not what I was trying to say and I apologize if that's how it came out. I, for one, don't think it was staged, but the response is straight out of their standard playbook they all have agreed upon in advance for any time "political violence" happens.
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@futurebird @ireneista That's not what I was trying to say and I apologize if that's how it came out. I, for one, don't think it was staged, but the response is straight out of their standard playbook they all have agreed upon in advance for any time "political violence" happens.
I was just thinking of another example of "not playing nice" I didn't mean to tie that to your comment directly.
But it's just that playbook that I'm sick of seeing people go along with as if any of the people calling for "respect" are even sad about anything.
It feels fake.
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I was just thinking of another example of "not playing nice" I didn't mean to tie that to your comment directly.
But it's just that playbook that I'm sick of seeing people go along with as if any of the people calling for "respect" are even sad about anything.
It feels fake.
RE: https://orbital.horse/@emma/116472965488219616
@futurebird @JessTheUnstill @ireneista
Yeah, this is all very exhausting and leads to doubt.
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I was just thinking of another example of "not playing nice" I didn't mean to tie that to your comment directly.
But it's just that playbook that I'm sick of seeing people go along with as if any of the people calling for "respect" are even sad about anything.
It feels fake.
@futurebird @JessTheUnstill oh, yes, the calls for respect are just straight-up lies. it is not a thing these assholes give a shit about, its point is purely to silence us.
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I think this is also playing a role in the "it's fake" response to this shooting. It's not so much that anyone wants to make up a elaborate theory about how it was staged, it's more a desire not to be jerked around emotionally again.
These very grim events are just media games and exploited so quickly and cynically it makes me feel like a chump to sit here going "I agree political violence is wrong"
It's fake. I'm not playing along. Have fun.
@futurebird @JessTheUnstill @ireneista Every party-line Republican vote since 2013 is downstream of the successful* assassination-attempt of Gabby Giffords.
(* the goal wasn't murder, it was removal as a political actor. Which entirely succeeded.)
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Bullies like to say that "might makes right" but they don't *really* want to live by those words.
The entire meta of being a bully is based on targeting the weakest people to show that you *might* not follow the same rules as everyone else if you don't get your way. Your transgression, your disregard for social order scares the mass of people into simply giving you what you want **without a fight.**
As soon as people start fighting back? Bullies loose. They are outnumbered.
The thing about bullies, as is true with football and baseball players, is that there's always someone smarter, faster, better coming up right behind them. Their hold on power is fleeting.
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Bullies like to say that "might makes right" but they don't *really* want to live by those words.
The entire meta of being a bully is based on targeting the weakest people to show that you *might* not follow the same rules as everyone else if you don't get your way. Your transgression, your disregard for social order scares the mass of people into simply giving you what you want **without a fight.**
As soon as people start fighting back? Bullies loose. They are outnumbered.
My line: By the time you hit a bully, he's already won.
Violence is their game, not ours. The trick is to mock them early and often. Laughter is kryptonite to bullies.
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Simply fighting back will send a bully into a fit of confusion and fear.
This is why the redistricting fight was so effective.
"But YOU aren't supposed to be like this. You always follow the rules and norms."
Bullies count on us being more in love with our own moral standing than protecting the people we care about. That's a big mistake with me at least.
@futurebird The paradox of toleration needing defense
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Simply fighting back will send a bully into a fit of confusion and fear.
This is why the redistricting fight was so effective.
"But YOU aren't supposed to be like this. You always follow the rules and norms."
Bullies count on us being more in love with our own moral standing than protecting the people we care about. That's a big mistake with me at least.
@futurebird reminds me of a phrase I like. "Don't confuse kindness with weakness."
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Simply fighting back will send a bully into a fit of confusion and fear.
This is why the redistricting fight was so effective.
"But YOU aren't supposed to be like this. You always follow the rules and norms."
Bullies count on us being more in love with our own moral standing than protecting the people we care about. That's a big mistake with me at least.
@futurebird the reasons is: «we ARE playing by the rules: the rules YOU set»
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Simply fighting back will send a bully into a fit of confusion and fear.
This is why the redistricting fight was so effective.
"But YOU aren't supposed to be like this. You always follow the rules and norms."
Bullies count on us being more in love with our own moral standing than protecting the people we care about. That's a big mistake with me at least.
@futurebird
There's an old Italian saying that was used by Sandro Pertini, a leader of the Resistance Movement against the fascist regime during WWII and then President of the Italian Republic: "a brigante, brigante e mezzo".
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@futurebird (though we worry about that inadvertently promoting elitist narratives or overly hierarchical theories of change, and don't encourage mass adoption of it as a slogan)
@ireneista
This thread reminds me of something Andrewism said recently. Paraphrased: anarchists in still use force, though not for enforcing authority nor for creating hierarchies.Do We Need Leaders
2:54 first mention of force
11:32 second mention- YouTube
Auf YouTube findest du die angesagtesten Videos und Tracks. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder gleich der ganzen Welt teilen.
(www.youtube.com)
UPDATE: found it.
Let me see if I can find the source. I binged his videos so they are blending together in my head.
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@ireneista
This thread reminds me of something Andrewism said recently. Paraphrased: anarchists in still use force, though not for enforcing authority nor for creating hierarchies.Do We Need Leaders
2:54 first mention of force
11:32 second mention- YouTube
Auf YouTube findest du die angesagtesten Videos und Tracks. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder gleich der ganzen Welt teilen.
(www.youtube.com)
UPDATE: found it.
Let me see if I can find the source. I binged his videos so they are blending together in my head.
@futurebird@toolbear @futurebird ah! sounds highly relevant, thank you!
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@toolbear @futurebird ah! sounds highly relevant, thank you!
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@ireneista
This thread reminds me of something Andrewism said recently. Paraphrased: anarchists in still use force, though not for enforcing authority nor for creating hierarchies.Do We Need Leaders
2:54 first mention of force
11:32 second mention- YouTube
Auf YouTube findest du die angesagtesten Videos und Tracks. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder gleich der ganzen Welt teilen.
(www.youtube.com)
UPDATE: found it.
Let me see if I can find the source. I binged his videos so they are blending together in my head.
@futurebirdA more in depth discussion of the conflation of authority and force, among other conflated concepts:
How Anarchy Works
6:05 Dissecting Authority
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@futurebird @JessTheUnstill oh, yes, the calls for respect are just straight-up lies. it is not a thing these assholes give a shit about, its point is purely to silence us.
@ireneista @futurebird @JessTheUnstill yeah, I will not forget that when Muller died, Trump said he was “glad”. It wasn’t violence, but Trump took pleasure in it.
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Bullies like to say that "might makes right" but they don't *really* want to live by those words.
The entire meta of being a bully is based on targeting the weakest people to show that you *might* not follow the same rules as everyone else if you don't get your way. Your transgression, your disregard for social order scares the mass of people into simply giving you what you want **without a fight.**
As soon as people start fighting back? Bullies loose. They are outnumbered.
@futurebird
One of the few effective lessons I learned in high school was that it's not even a matter of being outnumbered.Bullies pick on the people most unlikely to fight back because they're afraid.
You hit back, as hard as you can, and they fuckin run. You put snow down their shirt one time, and they start bowing their head when you pass them in gym class.
And then the other bullies sense not to mess with you.
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My line: By the time you hit a bully, he's already won.
Violence is their game, not ours. The trick is to mock them early and often. Laughter is kryptonite to bullies.
@Uair @futurebird
I will tell you from experience: you hit a coward and they lose. Bullies are cowards — that's why they pick on people they think won't hit back.Christian moral purity is what got us where we are. Not hitting back makes more violence happen.
Violence has knock-on effects, and it's not the best tool in the box, but sometimes it's the tool that fits the problem. Violence isn't the game. It's a tactic. The game is where we use every tool to make a more just society.
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@Uair @futurebird
I will tell you from experience: you hit a coward and they lose. Bullies are cowards — that's why they pick on people they think won't hit back.Christian moral purity is what got us where we are. Not hitting back makes more violence happen.
Violence has knock-on effects, and it's not the best tool in the box, but sometimes it's the tool that fits the problem. Violence isn't the game. It's a tactic. The game is where we use every tool to make a more just society.
Yes, I'm on the same page. We didn't mock them early enough, now we have to get down in the gutter with them.
The problem with that is they're fucking vampires. They turn you into themselves. Look at postwar America, or Israel today. I'm not against violence in principle, it's just usually the cheap shitty solution that sets up the next problem.
I guess it's analogous to the familial cycle of abuse, but on a national level.
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Yes, I'm on the same page. We didn't mock them early enough, now we have to get down in the gutter with them.
The problem with that is they're fucking vampires. They turn you into themselves. Look at postwar America, or Israel today. I'm not against violence in principle, it's just usually the cheap shitty solution that sets up the next problem.
I guess it's analogous to the familial cycle of abuse, but on a national level.
@Uair @futurebird
My concern about the "guillotine" talk that's going around is that it's hard to get it back in the box once you're done.OTOH, French Revolution didn't have a way toward a functioning social democracy without executing the Noble class. Nobles stopped each other from devolving their power.
The first result was their execution and the redistribution of their resources. The second was years of traumatic public executions based on rumor and petty dislikes.
