Oomfies, what's more gay?
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@nina_kali_nina why not FreeBSD? It’s a while since I last looked at BSDs, but I believe FreeBSD was the more desktop oriented one, that and Dragonfly.
IMHO NetBSD is kind of a “research” project these days. Not sure anyone uses it in anger, or as a desktop OS.
@WiteWulf @nina_kali_nina wasn't FreeNAS based on FreeBSD - that was rock solid to me for a good decade
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@nina_kali_nina Super curious how your experience goes. I've gotten BSD-curious in the past and these were the two I settled on as what I might want to use.
But then, you know, learning a new system and everything. I just didn't have the spoons for it at the time.
@abmurrow I have an OpenBSD on my $50 Chromebook and it's pretty nice. But I'm a bit conflicted on their apolitical-ness stance. NetBSD in this aspect seems to be far more political
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@joe it might, but I fear for safety/security etc etc. It's a primary machine after all
@nina_kali_nina ah yeah it's probably not good for that. though it is cool that the base OS and apps are immutably mounted directly from the set of packages you have installed, which is something you need to do extra work to get with any *BSD (though of course when you're always root in Haiku, it's still not hard to simply install or alter packages to indirectly alter the OS)
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@nina_kali_nina why not FreeBSD? It’s a while since I last looked at BSDs, but I believe FreeBSD was the more desktop oriented one, that and Dragonfly.
IMHO NetBSD is kind of a “research” project these days. Not sure anyone uses it in anger, or as a desktop OS.
@WiteWulf they still don't have an anti-AI statement.
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@nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt @Kierkegaanks@beige.party
try apple os. good gui over some variant unix. most polished distro but has creepy hardware reqs.
@m3t00 @Kierkegaanks no thanks, I'm on it and I hate it. My root account isn't root and I can't even install an alternative OS
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@nina_kali_nina This is like asking which shovel is more like a love sonnet.
(For the record, I voted NetBSD because they have greater platform diversity, which seems philosophically gayer?)
@bytex64 indeed it is, and shovel lovers curious about poetry, as well as shovel-curious poetry lovers, will be able to answer.
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@nina_kali_nina I did not expect this. Does that mean it's straight, or is everyone gay?
@pawv I think it just means they're almost equally queer
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@abmurrow I have an OpenBSD on my $50 Chromebook and it's pretty nice. But I'm a bit conflicted on their apolitical-ness stance. NetBSD in this aspect seems to be far more political
@nina_kali_nina Yeah, I got that vibe too. OpenBSD is just out there doing their own thing it seems. Mostly feels like the focus is security, keeping X alive, and OpenSSH. Not bad aims, but not entirely dialed in either. It does have a community of users who, at least when I was dipping my toes into the water, who seemed to get it. But they're a lot of opsec folks, it's their job and they think about it a lot.
Meanwhile NetBSD feels like a bunch of deranged internet nuts trying to cram their OS into every known tool in existence. Much more my speed in some ways, but less desktop support. Not a dealbreaker, just needs more focus time.
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Oomfies, what's more gay? The winner is likely going to be my desktop OS. Others ideas are welcome, as long as it's fairly usable, open source and not Linux
@nina_kali_nina @nuttx, kolibrios, @redox - plenty of choices to try after BSD flavors
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@nina_kali_nina OpenBSD is Canadian
@nina_kali_nina Oh, and every release has a hilarious theme song
I will admit I listened to them unironically when I was in high school, despite not ever having used BSD. I was a big fan of Systemagic and "E-Railed (OpenBSD Mix)"
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@nina_kali_nina @nuttx, kolibrios, @redox - plenty of choices to try after BSD flavors
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@WiteWulf they still don't have an anti-AI statement.
@nina_kali_nina @WiteWulf Haiku is apparently, very anti-slop.
They recently just made a change on their forum which moves slops to the same category as "Proprietary" and outright banning slop-generated content on their forum.
Changes to forum rules & categories for LLM-generated content
Following the recent discussions around LLM-generated content (so-called “AI”), the forum rules and categories have been amended. Changes to the forum guidelines New paragraph under the “Post Only Your Own Stuff” sectio…
Haiku Community (discuss.haiku-os.org)
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@nina_kali_nina i mean, i am hardly the expert, but you seem to have picked like the two least gay options.
@drj @nina_kali_nina I don't know how to grade this (is it the SysV/BSD split?), but I'd bet good money on Solaris being less gay, just by being owned by Oracle.
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@joe it might, but I fear for safety/security etc etc. It's a primary machine after all
@nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt @joe@f.duriansoftware.com i would not really use either on a primary machine. i've tried to daily drive both at a more rebellious point in my life
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@drj @nina_kali_nina I don't know how to grade this (is it the SysV/BSD split?), but I'd bet good money on Solaris being less gay, just by being owned by Oracle.
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@pawv I think it just means they're almost equally queer
@nina_kali_nina EVERYONE IS GAY!
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@nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt @joe@f.duriansoftware.com i would not really use either on a primary machine. i've tried to daily drive both at a more rebellious point in my life
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@nina_kali_nina can't speak firsthand to its gayness, but Haiku seems like it might fit your other criteria
@joe @nina_kali_nina No love for GNU/Hurd?
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@nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt @joe@f.duriansoftware.com
Security is one factor. OpenBSD prides itself on it, but I wouldn't say it's particularly ahead of Linux overall in a practical, well-configured scenario. NetBSD is considerably less audited, and a C3 talk about BSD security was... scathing on it.
Software availability is another. Spent a non-trivial amount of time getting Minecraft to run on NetBSD. In general, more things will break, and there will be fewer documented fixes - unless you only use FOSS, and even then.
I recall OpenBSD having some performance issues at the time when running IntelliJ, which I think were fixable with enough tuning but I never got that far.
But I welcome trying it - it was certainly a valuable and fun experience until I realized more things work out of the box on Linux. -
@joe @nina_kali_nina No love for GNU/Hurd?
@slava @nina_kali_nina illumOS might fit the bill too. but it sounds like the devs are pretty LLM-happy these days
