Now you can keep track of how many billions the AI companies are losing on AI.
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@bob_zim @sebastian @PaulaToThePeople @MikeElgan
I'm not sure about that, the shear vast amounts of debt are big even for these big companies, but time will tell@julesbl @sebastian @PaulaToThePeople @MikeElgan I’m mostly joking about how stock-market-focused capitalism heavily incentivizes looking good for the current quarter, then bailing out before people outside realize you did it by selling off all the buildings and signing extortionate leases for those same buildings. Or by laying off all the people who actually make the product the company sells. Etc.
When the lack of good training data becomes a problem, the current heads will bail out before it becomes public knowledge how bad the situation is. Or they’ll be “fired” with hundreds of millions of dollars in severance. They’re incentivized to not care.
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Now you can keep track of how many billions the AI companies are losing on AI. (Red is spending, green is revenue.) https://isaiprofitable.com/
@MikeElgan what even is money?
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@KennedyRichard @cohentheblue @julesbl @PaulaToThePeople @MikeElgan
These content creators might not even see the spikes anymore, though, let alone be rewarded for them.
Everything they d see is crawlers.
Their content would be presented, and capitalized on, by those who run the centralized gateways.@sebastian @cohentheblue @julesbl @PaulaToThePeople @MikeElgan
Yep. As I said, I don't have a solution. I just think we can't stop creating because of that. If we do, by the time we find a solution, there will be only slop.
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@KennedyRichard @cohentheblue @julesbl @PaulaToThePeople @MikeElgan
These content creators might not even see the spikes anymore, though, let alone be rewarded for them.
Everything they d see is crawlers.
Their content would be presented, and capitalized on, by those who run the centralized gateways.@sebastian @cohentheblue @julesbl @PaulaToThePeople @MikeElgan At the very least we should encourage individuals to have their own domains and publish their own content. There's no need for fancy websites, either. Simple text-based websites with meaningful content are the last holdout of a useful internet.
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Now you can keep track of how many billions the AI companies are losing on AI. (Red is spending, green is revenue.) https://isaiprofitable.com/
@MikeElgan where are the Chinese AI? Deepseek, Alibaba, Moonshot, Zhipu, High-Flyer, etc.
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@sebastian @julesbl @PaulaToThePeople @MikeElgan Can't personal websites help with that?
Genuinely asking, not trying to be a smartass. I know the outlook isn't good, just thought that people should do their part individually as well.
I know creating and maintaining content isn't easy, nor cheap. But perhaps what the internet lacks is more people making simpler websites with real content. An interconnected yet decentralized/independent web of real content, like we had in the past.
@KennedyRichard @sebastian @julesbl @PaulaToThePeople @MikeElgan
One problem with that idea is that the crawler from the LLMs are enormously crappy designed and will lead to noticeable traffic.
jwz (@jwz@mastodon.social)
Attached: 1 image The AI botnets cannot be stopped. I am constantly getting scrape attempts for avatar-image-JPEG URLs that have not existed on my blog since a restructuring in 2022. They come in bursts of about a 100 per minute, each from a different IP address, and in random order. I thought: enough is enough, I need to figure out what clown service these are coming from and start blocking whole networks. Nope, they're almost all from cable modems, not from hosting facilities: https://jwz.org/b/yk7g
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Now you can keep track of how many billions the AI companies are losing on AI. (Red is spending, green is revenue.) https://isaiprofitable.com/
@MikeElgan Should Nvidia even be on the list considering their AI profits, if I am not mistaken, is because of the datacenter infrastructure buildup and not actually doing "AI" tasks like the other companies bank, or not banking any yet, on..
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Now you can keep track of how many billions the AI companies are losing on AI. (Red is spending, green is revenue.) https://isaiprofitable.com/
@MikeElgan
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@KennedyRichard @sebastian @julesbl @PaulaToThePeople @MikeElgan
One problem with that idea is that the crawler from the LLMs are enormously crappy designed and will lead to noticeable traffic.
jwz (@jwz@mastodon.social)
Attached: 1 image The AI botnets cannot be stopped. I am constantly getting scrape attempts for avatar-image-JPEG URLs that have not existed on my blog since a restructuring in 2022. They come in bursts of about a 100 per minute, each from a different IP address, and in random order. I thought: enough is enough, I need to figure out what clown service these are coming from and start blocking whole networks. Nope, they're almost all from cable modems, not from hosting facilities: https://jwz.org/b/yk7g
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@derderwish @sebastian @julesbl @PaulaToThePeople @MikeElgan But I'm not presenting the need to create and publish content as a solution. I'm presenting it as a necessary measure to ensure content exists if we ever find a solution. If we stop creating content, there will be no content when or if the actual problem ever go away.
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@KennedyRichard @sebastian @julesbl @PaulaToThePeople @MikeElgan
One problem with that idea is that the crawler from the LLMs are enormously crappy designed and will lead to noticeable traffic.
jwz (@jwz@mastodon.social)
Attached: 1 image The AI botnets cannot be stopped. I am constantly getting scrape attempts for avatar-image-JPEG URLs that have not existed on my blog since a restructuring in 2022. They come in bursts of about a 100 per minute, each from a different IP address, and in random order. I thought: enough is enough, I need to figure out what clown service these are coming from and start blocking whole networks. Nope, they're almost all from cable modems, not from hosting facilities: https://jwz.org/b/yk7g
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@derderwish @sebastian @julesbl @PaulaToThePeople @MikeElgan I mean, there has to be some way to deal with those attacks, right? First of all, small creators aren't targeted by that, right? Also, I thought dealing with that was the job of the hosting providers, is it not?
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Now you can keep track of how many billions the AI companies are losing on AI. (Red is spending, green is revenue.) https://isaiprofitable.com/
@MikeElgan This is needed
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Now you can keep track of how many billions the AI companies are losing on AI. (Red is spending, green is revenue.) https://isaiprofitable.com/
@MikeElgan everyone is broke except nvidia apparently
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@KennedyRichard @sebastian @julesbl @PaulaToThePeople @MikeElgan
One problem with that idea is that the crawler from the LLMs are enormously crappy designed and will lead to noticeable traffic.
jwz (@jwz@mastodon.social)
Attached: 1 image The AI botnets cannot be stopped. I am constantly getting scrape attempts for avatar-image-JPEG URLs that have not existed on my blog since a restructuring in 2022. They come in bursts of about a 100 per minute, each from a different IP address, and in random order. I thought: enough is enough, I need to figure out what clown service these are coming from and start blocking whole networks. Nope, they're almost all from cable modems, not from hosting facilities: https://jwz.org/b/yk7g
Mastodon (mastodon.social)
@derderwish @sebastian @julesbl @PaulaToThePeople @MikeElgan Also, these businesses providing AI are finally having to justify their non-profitability and AI is finally starting to get expensive. I can't see how these attacks can keep going in a sustainable way, right? Who will cover those costs, with which money? It seems to me AI already started the process of getting to the tail end of the Gartner Hype Cycle chart. And it can't get there fast enough.
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Now you can keep track of how many billions the AI companies are losing on AI. (Red is spending, green is revenue.) https://isaiprofitable.com/
@MikeElgan now do how many jobs they're generating
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Now you can keep track of how many billions the AI companies are losing on AI. (Red is spending, green is revenue.) https://isaiprofitable.com/
@MikeElgan
The kicker will be when enough business’s and government are hooked on the AI kool-aid, the prices will go up even higher than the energy bills we already have to pay to keep the dystopia running.Estamos bien jodidos, seems apposite.
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Now you can keep track of how many billions the AI companies are losing on AI. (Red is spending, green is revenue.) https://isaiprofitable.com/
Money being what it is - an illusion controlled by the banks -
It is used to buy power over the quality of life of a certain group.
it does not matter how much 'money' ai is wasting: it is merely buying that inescapable power over other humans.
Power to starve, kill, maim, rape, enslave.
Slavers will pay ANY price to have that power.
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Now you can keep track of how many billions the AI companies are losing on AI. (Red is spending, green is revenue.) https://isaiprofitable.com/
@MikeElgan Amazon lost the money that I (probably) won't be able to collect in my entire life within seconds. Good.
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@nick_appleyard @MikeElgan I love how their “Enterprise Applications” are going to capture roughly 400% of the total worldwide IT spend. Can we please make fraud illegal again?
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Now you can keep track of how many billions the AI companies are losing on AI. (Red is spending, green is revenue.) https://isaiprofitable.com/
@MikeElgan "Losing", or just moving around?
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@MikeElgan And yet there's no sign of the shareholders suing the directors for failing in their fiduciary duties, which I presume means the shareholders are bent as nine bob notes too.
@only_ohm @MikeElgan big tech does not operate like a real business ruled by P&L, but more like an ancient prince who funds an alchemist and a theatre troupe out of the money his underlings extract (smaller VC tech operates like P.T. Barnum if his hicks were very rich men in California) https://www.bookandsword.com/resources/the-political-economy-of-american-tech-companies-since-2008/
