Working in security and doing security door/door access installs with a locksmith and getting into locksport, I've noticed- and maybe it's just a thing local to me- that like 95% of the doors in the world are not installed correctly.
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@brad it's true. Most locksmiths and door installers use oversized strike plates because it's easier than fitting them correctly, and customers don't like it when their structure settles and then the door doesn't close properly, so you'd be surprised how many doors don't engage the deadlatch.
@alice @brad @deviantollam I'd always assumed incompetence before but your explanation makes much more sense: it's the classic cost+convenience vs security trade-off. Less security = less callbacks.
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@alice @brad @deviantollam I'd always assumed incompetence before but your explanation makes much more sense: it's the classic cost+convenience vs security trade-off. Less security = less callbacks.
@riskythinking @deviantollam @alice @brad Good to know that it's not just cybersecurity that works this way.
Like when the heaviest encryption can be defeated by knowing the answer to "what's your mother's maiden name?"
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Working in security and doing security door/door access installs with a locksmith and getting into locksport, I've noticed- and maybe it's just a thing local to me- that like 95% of the doors in the world are not installed correctly. Holy shit you guys.
@brad - Yeah. Same with computer security.
"Locks keep honest people honest." is a saying for a reason. The facade of it being locked or secure is enough to prevent folks from making a mistake of convenience and trying to steal something because it looks easy.
But many things can be taken if you put in minimal effort.
Thank goodness most folks are either generally decent people or at the very least just can't be arsed to take whats not their's. (Society only works when this is the case...)
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@riskythinking @deviantollam @alice @brad Good to know that it's not just cybersecurity that works this way.
Like when the heaviest encryption can be defeated by knowing the answer to "what's your mother's maiden name?"
@me yup. Very much like that.
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Working in security and doing security door/door access installs with a locksmith and getting into locksport, I've noticed- and maybe it's just a thing local to me- that like 95% of the doors in the world are not installed correctly. Holy shit you guys.
@brad true facts
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@brad it's true. Most locksmiths and door installers use oversized strike plates because it's easier than fitting them correctly, and customers don't like it when their structure settles and then the door doesn't close properly, so you'd be surprised how many doors don't engage the deadlatch.
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@brad it's true. Most locksmiths and door installers use oversized strike plates because it's easier than fitting them correctly, and customers don't like it when their structure settles and then the door doesn't close properly, so you'd be surprised how many doors don't engage the deadlatch.
I have a stop on my route that got broken into through their roll up door windows. they installed an electronic alarm system. then 2 weeks later when I tried to leave the front door wouldn't latch. the strike plate had been shimmed closer to the door latch badly and it required multiple slammings to get it to latch.
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I have a stop on my route that got broken into through their roll up door windows. they installed an electronic alarm system. then 2 weeks later when I tried to leave the front door wouldn't latch. the strike plate had been shimmed closer to the door latch badly and it required multiple slammings to get it to latch.
️@coolcalmcollected @alice @deviantollam My wife's print studio just had a guy install a commercial double door and put the surface latch on the wrong side of the door- It doesn't lock anything and its accessible from the outside ಠ_ಠ
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@coolcalmcollected @alice @deviantollam My wife's print studio just had a guy install a commercial double door and put the surface latch on the wrong side of the door- It doesn't lock anything and its accessible from the outside ಠ_ಠ
oh my god
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@coolcalmcollected @alice @deviantollam Don't worry, they also installed a second surface latch on the inside as well for what I'm sure are reasons. They marked the hole in the door frame for it to slide into but never cut the hole. We found out about this because the building manager was like "Hey, your door has been open for 3 days"
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@coolcalmcollected @alice @deviantollam My wife's print studio just had a guy install a commercial double door and put the surface latch on the wrong side of the door- It doesn't lock anything and its accessible from the outside ಠ_ಠ
@brad @coolcalmcollected @alice holy cow!
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Working in security and doing security door/door access installs with a locksmith and getting into locksport, I've noticed- and maybe it's just a thing local to me- that like 95% of the doors in the world are not installed correctly. Holy shit you guys.
the worst i've seen was a new subdivision where all the french doors were installed over a couple of days. they sent an junior person to do it. all were installed upside down, which made them non-functional. they had to redo all the doors (probably not much better but at least right side up).
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@deviantollam I think I actually learned that bit of trivia from you
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@coolcalmcollected @alice @deviantollam My wife's print studio just had a guy install a commercial double door and put the surface latch on the wrong side of the door- It doesn't lock anything and its accessible from the outside ಠ_ಠ
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Working in security and doing security door/door access installs with a locksmith and getting into locksport, I've noticed- and maybe it's just a thing local to me- that like 95% of the doors in the world are not installed correctly. Holy shit you guys.
Don't count on it, reminds me of the story of an airline pilot, he loved reading the papers (read them good and well) except about aviation where he always found errors.
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Don't count on it, reminds me of the story of an airline pilot, he loved reading the papers (read them good and well) except about aviation where he always found errors.
@hnapel That's the Gell-Man Amnesia Principle
Gell-Mann Amnesia
Michael Crichton coined the term Gell-Mann Amnesia effect to describe forgetting how unreliable a source is in one area when you trust it in another area.
John D. Cook | Applied Mathematics Consulting (www.johndcook.com)
CC: @brad
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@hnapel That's the Gell-Man Amnesia Principle
Gell-Mann Amnesia
Michael Crichton coined the term Gell-Mann Amnesia effect to describe forgetting how unreliable a source is in one area when you trust it in another area.
John D. Cook | Applied Mathematics Consulting (www.johndcook.com)
CC: @brad
@ColinTheMathmo @hnapel Angela Collier also has an incredible video on this.
Also, if anything, I think I'm experiencing the opposite of that. Now that I am aware of how a door should work, I'm seeing how much nobody seems to do it correctly -
@ColinTheMathmo @hnapel Angela Collier also has an incredible video on this.
Also, if anything, I think I'm experiencing the opposite of that. Now that I am aware of how a door should work, I'm seeing how much nobody seems to do it correctly -
@ColinTheMathmo @hnapel Yeah I think I confused myself somewhere in there
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@ColinTheMathmo @hnapel Yeah I think I confused myself somewhere in there
@ColinTheMathmo @hnapel yeah, reading this back I truly have no idea what I was thinking there lol
