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Fedi Hive Mind - What should software free of AI be labeled?

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  • mastodonmigration@mastodon.onlineM mastodonmigration@mastodon.online

    @dalias @Z_Zed_Zed

    Right. It is hard to be comprehensive and also specific. Here is a version with just "AI Free". The issue here, and it may not be a problem is repeating "AI" in two places.

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    @mastodonmigration @Z_Zed_Zed Yeah, I see how that can be meh.

    But the problem here is that if you're not very explicitly comprehensive, it looks like you're trying to weasel in acceptance of some specific kinds of "AI".

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      https://www.redbubble.com/shop/ap/180396944

      CC: @mastodonmigration@mastodon.online
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      @pmjv @khm @mastodonmigration not like there's much to even know. You just type like a typewriter monkey then get something in return
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      • reiddragon@fedi.catto.gardenR reiddragon@fedi.catto.garden
        @pmjv @khm @mastodonmigration not like there's much to even know. You just type like a typewriter monkey then get something in return
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        thank you, reid

        CC: @khm@hj.9fs.net @mastodonmigration@mastodon.online
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        • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

          @mastodonmigration @Z_Zed_Zed Yeah, I see how that can be meh.

          But the problem here is that if you're not very explicitly comprehensive, it looks like you're trying to weasel in acceptance of some specific kinds of "AI".

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          @dalias @Z_Zed_Zed

          Looking at it now, not sure the two "AI" is a problem. Think this is pretty good actually. Seems like the symbol could be used with and without the caption.

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          • mastodonmigration@mastodon.onlineM mastodonmigration@mastodon.online

            Fedi Hive Mind - What should software free of AI be labeled?

            A decision by @Blender to take money from Anthopic, and a policy by @redox to ban all LLM generated code spotlights the question.

            Other industries have used badging like Sugar Free, Low Tar, Alcohol Free, 100% Cotton, and Organic.

            What's a good label for code that is certified free of any LLM generated code?

            So far suggestions include: AI Free, Organic Code, Not By AI, LLM Free, 100% Human, No LLM, No AI

            Thoughts? Ideas?

            #AI

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            @mastodonmigration @Blender @redox

            Now we'll all need to keep a lookout for the disappearance of these "AI" canaries...

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            • mastodonmigration@mastodon.onlineM mastodonmigration@mastodon.online

              OK team, what do we think of this?

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              #74

              Or how about this?

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              • mastodonmigration@mastodon.onlineM mastodonmigration@mastodon.online

                Or how about this?

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                @mastodonmigration I like GenAI free. I'm not totally against AI, I am against nearly 99% of GenAI current use cases, though.

                https://mastodon.online/@mastodonmigration/116488478696263706

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                • paul@oldfriends.liveP paul@oldfriends.live

                  @mastodonmigration I like GenAI free. I'm not totally against AI, I am against nearly 99% of GenAI current use cases, though.

                  https://mastodon.online/@mastodonmigration/116488478696263706

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                  @paul

                  Yes good point, and like that visually GenAI is different so it doesn't use "AI" in two places, but some think that GenAI is not a really something that normal people understand whereas everyone knows AI. It is a tradeoff.

                  Edit: Think about "Sugar Free". Not all sugars are bad, but getting more specific loses your audience.

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                  • mastodonmigration@mastodon.onlineM mastodonmigration@mastodon.online

                    Or how about this?

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                    @mastodonmigration
                    AI FREE. Yes, for the normies this maybe just clear enough.

                    For the people who think a little more nuanced about this, I take it as
                    . No BigTech AI
                    . No data stealing, surveillance-free
                    . No hyperscale mega data centres that spoil our energy and water reserves
                    . No patriarchal, (neo)colonial systems
                    . No algorithmic bias, systemic discrimination
                    . No intransparent trainibg data and opaque models
                    . No extractivist business practices, indentured labour or other practices of injustice involved

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                    • mastodonmigration@mastodon.onlineM mastodonmigration@mastodon.online

                      @paul

                      Yes good point, and like that visually GenAI is different so it doesn't use "AI" in two places, but some think that GenAI is not a really something that normal people understand whereas everyone knows AI. It is a tradeoff.

                      Edit: Think about "Sugar Free". Not all sugars are bad, but getting more specific loses your audience.

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                      @mastodonmigration I think people that care about how Generation AI is being used need to start differentiating it so normal people understand because the AI people are coming back with good use cases examples, which some in the media are using to downplay the danger.

                      Personally, it seems to me we are going to need a grassroots genAI subsection in the anti-ai advocacy.

                      Re your edit, in the sugar example, most people know high fructose sugars are bad because of the advocacy against it and many give no thought to the other sugars.

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