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Fedi Hive Mind - What should software free of AI be labeled?

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  • mastodonmigration@mastodon.onlineM mastodonmigration@mastodon.online

    Fedi Hive Mind - What should software free of AI be labeled?

    A decision by @Blender to take money from Anthopic, and a policy by @redox to ban all LLM generated code spotlights the question.

    Other industries have used badging like Sugar Free, Low Tar, Alcohol Free, 100% Cotton, and Organic.

    What's a good label for code that is certified free of any LLM generated code?

    So far suggestions include: AI Free, Organic Code, Not By AI, LLM Free, 100% Human, No LLM, No AI

    Thoughts? Ideas?

    #AI

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    Ethical.

    CC: @Blender@mastodon.social @redox@floss.social
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      #62

      @Z_Zed_Zed @dalias

      Generally agree. Trying to find the right words. "Human Made" and "LLM Free" have been suggested, but somehow seem clunky.

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      • ori@hj.9fs.netO ori@hj.9fs.net
        Ethical.

        CC: @Blender@mastodon.social @redox@floss.social
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        #63

        @ori @Blender @redox

        Interesting. Good contribution.

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        • mastodonmigration@mastodon.onlineM mastodonmigration@mastodon.online

          @Z_Zed_Zed @dalias

          Generally agree. Trying to find the right words. "Human Made" and "LLM Free" have been suggested, but somehow seem clunky.

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          #64

          @mastodonmigration @Z_Zed_Zed "LLM" does not encompass slop models that are not in the domain of language. Like all of the imagery/video stuff.

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          • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

            @mastodonmigration @Z_Zed_Zed "LLM" does not encompass slop models that are not in the domain of language. Like all of the imagery/video stuff.

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            #65

            @mastodonmigration @Z_Zed_Zed The *only* term that encompasses the whole humanity-hostile political program marketed as "AI" is "AI".

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            • khm@hj.9fs.netK khm@hj.9fs.net
              I would like to disparage the bad idea that whether or not your code is slop should be represented by a trade industry style advertising campaign
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              #66
              https://www.redbubble.com/shop/ap/180396944

              CC: @mastodonmigration@mastodon.online
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              • mastodonmigration@mastodon.onlineM mastodonmigration@mastodon.online

                @khm

                Why? Curious about your thinking here?

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                #67
                ads shit in your head. even if the ads mean well, even if the mission is holy

                you'll spend all this time constructing some kind of fucking Brand and it will immediately be coopted by AI psychos because taking what you made is what they do

                anthropic can put 1000% HUMAN MADE on their website because, when you get right down to it, all technology is. that's what makes it technology.

                further you have no mechanism to enforce the accuracy of this ad campaign; what are you gonna do about it? sue the trillionaires?

                finally there's something deeply ironic about abstracting away human communication in the process of insisting that your work is human communication. fascinatingly low-level self-own. teleologically unsustainable worldview. not gonna make it
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                • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

                  @mastodonmigration @Z_Zed_Zed "LLM" does not encompass slop models that are not in the domain of language. Like all of the imagery/video stuff.

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                  #68

                  @dalias @Z_Zed_Zed

                  Right. It is hard to be comprehensive and also specific. Here is a version with just "AI Free". The issue here, and it may not be a problem is repeating "AI" in two places.

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                  • mastodonmigration@mastodon.onlineM mastodonmigration@mastodon.online

                    @dalias @Z_Zed_Zed

                    Right. It is hard to be comprehensive and also specific. Here is a version with just "AI Free". The issue here, and it may not be a problem is repeating "AI" in two places.

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                    @mastodonmigration @Z_Zed_Zed Yeah, I see how that can be meh.

                    But the problem here is that if you're not very explicitly comprehensive, it looks like you're trying to weasel in acceptance of some specific kinds of "AI".

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                    • pmjv@snac.lab8.czP pmjv@snac.lab8.cz
                      https://www.redbubble.com/shop/ap/180396944

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                      @pmjv @khm @mastodonmigration not like there's much to even know. You just type like a typewriter monkey then get something in return
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                      • reiddragon@fedi.catto.gardenR reiddragon@fedi.catto.garden
                        @pmjv @khm @mastodonmigration not like there's much to even know. You just type like a typewriter monkey then get something in return
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                        #71
                        thank you, reid

                        CC: @khm@hj.9fs.net @mastodonmigration@mastodon.online
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                        • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

                          @mastodonmigration @Z_Zed_Zed Yeah, I see how that can be meh.

                          But the problem here is that if you're not very explicitly comprehensive, it looks like you're trying to weasel in acceptance of some specific kinds of "AI".

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                          @dalias @Z_Zed_Zed

                          Looking at it now, not sure the two "AI" is a problem. Think this is pretty good actually. Seems like the symbol could be used with and without the caption.

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                          • mastodonmigration@mastodon.onlineM mastodonmigration@mastodon.online

                            Fedi Hive Mind - What should software free of AI be labeled?

                            A decision by @Blender to take money from Anthopic, and a policy by @redox to ban all LLM generated code spotlights the question.

                            Other industries have used badging like Sugar Free, Low Tar, Alcohol Free, 100% Cotton, and Organic.

                            What's a good label for code that is certified free of any LLM generated code?

                            So far suggestions include: AI Free, Organic Code, Not By AI, LLM Free, 100% Human, No LLM, No AI

                            Thoughts? Ideas?

                            #AI

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                            @mastodonmigration @Blender @redox

                            Now we'll all need to keep a lookout for the disappearance of these "AI" canaries...

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                            • mastodonmigration@mastodon.onlineM mastodonmigration@mastodon.online

                              OK team, what do we think of this?

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                              Or how about this?

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                              • mastodonmigration@mastodon.onlineM mastodonmigration@mastodon.online

                                Or how about this?

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                                @mastodonmigration I like GenAI free. I'm not totally against AI, I am against nearly 99% of GenAI current use cases, though.

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                                Attached: 1 image OK team, what do we think of this?

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                                • paul@oldfriends.liveP paul@oldfriends.live

                                  @mastodonmigration I like GenAI free. I'm not totally against AI, I am against nearly 99% of GenAI current use cases, though.

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                                  Attached: 1 image OK team, what do we think of this?

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                                  @paul

                                  Yes good point, and like that visually GenAI is different so it doesn't use "AI" in two places, but some think that GenAI is not a really something that normal people understand whereas everyone knows AI. It is a tradeoff.

                                  Edit: Think about "Sugar Free". Not all sugars are bad, but getting more specific loses your audience.

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                                  • mastodonmigration@mastodon.onlineM mastodonmigration@mastodon.online

                                    Or how about this?

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                                    @mastodonmigration
                                    AI FREE. Yes, for the normies this maybe just clear enough.

                                    For the people who think a little more nuanced about this, I take it as
                                    . No BigTech AI
                                    . No data stealing, surveillance-free
                                    . No hyperscale mega data centres that spoil our energy and water reserves
                                    . No patriarchal, (neo)colonial systems
                                    . No algorithmic bias, systemic discrimination
                                    . No intransparent trainibg data and opaque models
                                    . No extractivist business practices, indentured labour or other practices of injustice involved

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                                    • mastodonmigration@mastodon.onlineM mastodonmigration@mastodon.online

                                      @paul

                                      Yes good point, and like that visually GenAI is different so it doesn't use "AI" in two places, but some think that GenAI is not a really something that normal people understand whereas everyone knows AI. It is a tradeoff.

                                      Edit: Think about "Sugar Free". Not all sugars are bad, but getting more specific loses your audience.

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                                      @mastodonmigration I think people that care about how Generation AI is being used need to start differentiating it so normal people understand because the AI people are coming back with good use cases examples, which some in the media are using to downplay the danger.

                                      Personally, it seems to me we are going to need a grassroots genAI subsection in the anti-ai advocacy.

                                      Re your edit, in the sugar example, most people know high fructose sugars are bad because of the advocacy against it and many give no thought to the other sugars.

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