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End-to-End Encryption is good but metadata protection counts as much.

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  • pelle@veganism.socialP pelle@veganism.social

    @faket
    lead dev is climate-denying nazi transphobe. not exaggerating. check his X.

    simplex being "decentralized" means having a hardcoded list of two different server operators to choose from.

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    @pelle Thank you for this, so you mean I can’t install my own server and use it ? Didn’t found any doc on installing a server on their repo, but didn’t search a lot…

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    • faket@veganism.socialF faket@veganism.social

      @pelle Thank you for this, so you mean I can’t install my own server and use it ? Didn’t found any doc on installing a server on their repo, but didn’t search a lot…

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      @faket if you install the app and press "configure server operators", you can chose between "simplex" and "flux" (whatever that means).

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      • faket@veganism.socialF faket@veganism.social

        @delta Do you have a position on SimpleX?

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        @faket see the lead dev's blog, e.g. https://www.poberezkin.com/posts/2023-10-31-why-privacy-impossible-without-venture-funding.html

        I personally wouldn't want to use a private messenger made by someone who is so into venture capital and capitalism, and discounts community-funded approaches so much.

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        • delta@chaos.socialD delta@chaos.social

          End-to-End Encryption is good but metadata protection counts as much. Names, group descriptions and memberships, avatars, who talks to whom ...

          Both #deltachat and #signal go to great length to protect all the metadata that WhatsApp grants itself gratuitously. #Matrix stores similar scales of metadata on their servers, even if you can choose which server stores it.

          Everything is better than #Telegram which additionally stores message contents in all group chats/channels and most 1:1 chats.

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          @delta Wait. How does Delta protect metadata? I thought you had anonymous accounts but you can't protect metadata.

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          • ahalam@social.vivaldi.netA ahalam@social.vivaldi.net

            @delta Wait. How does Delta protect metadata? I thought you had anonymous accounts but you can't protect metadata.

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            @ahalam all the mentioned metadata in the top post resides in the encrypted parts of messages. The server does not see group descriptions, names, avatars etc. We'll soon do a blog post on this and recent advances to "zero metadata" operations, stay tuned 🙂

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            • pelle@veganism.socialP pelle@veganism.social

              @faket
              lead dev is climate-denying nazi transphobe. not exaggerating. check his X.

              simplex being "decentralized" means having a hardcoded list of two different server operators to choose from.

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              @pelle @faket https://simplex.chat/docs/server.html you can host your own server, but it has to be added manually and everyone you talk to must add it and select it to use it for how their messages get routed and the like

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              • lucawantstobeacat@chaos.socialL lucawantstobeacat@chaos.social

                @faket see the lead dev's blog, e.g. https://www.poberezkin.com/posts/2023-10-31-why-privacy-impossible-without-venture-funding.html

                I personally wouldn't want to use a private messenger made by someone who is so into venture capital and capitalism, and discounts community-funded approaches so much.

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                @lucawantstobeacat @faket if you check his twitter it's even worse 😄

                Something something vaccines and climate

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                • ex_06@puntarella.partyE ex_06@puntarella.party

                  @lucawantstobeacat @faket if you check his twitter it's even worse 😄

                  Something something vaccines and climate

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                  @ex_06 @lucawantstobeacat I wont check, I don’t have a fascism account. ^^

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                  • delta@chaos.socialD delta@chaos.social

                    @ahalam all the mentioned metadata in the top post resides in the encrypted parts of messages. The server does not see group descriptions, names, avatars etc. We'll soon do a blog post on this and recent advances to "zero metadata" operations, stay tuned 🙂

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                    @delta @ahalam it would be nice to have a "what if server operators go rogue" or stuff like that

                    I like delta chat for the approach of not needing to trust relays

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                    • ex_06@puntarella.partyE ex_06@puntarella.party

                      @lucawantstobeacat @faket if you check his twitter it's even worse 😄

                      Something something vaccines and climate

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                      @ex_06 @faket yeah same as @faket, won't go on that platform, but good to know ^^

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                      • delta@chaos.socialD delta@chaos.social

                        End-to-End Encryption is good but metadata protection counts as much. Names, group descriptions and memberships, avatars, who talks to whom ...

                        Both #deltachat and #signal go to great length to protect all the metadata that WhatsApp grants itself gratuitously. #Matrix stores similar scales of metadata on their servers, even if you can choose which server stores it.

                        Everything is better than #Telegram which additionally stores message contents in all group chats/channels and most 1:1 chats.

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                        @delta
                        Actually, WhatsApp offers the option to encrypt backups, and Apple offers the option to encrypt iCloud. However, not all users will take advantage of this, so its usefulness is limited.

                        Personally, I hope that DC-iOS will one day get iCloud backup support. Provided it is not too complicated to implement. In my opinion, it makes more sense than before, since chatmail servers only temporarily store emails.

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