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People, the draft is NOT back (yet).

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  • leslieburns@esq.socialL leslieburns@esq.social

    People, the draft is NOT back (yet). Males have had to register for the SSS for a long time now and the change is that instead of them doing it themselves, the government is automatically registering them. That's all (again, for now).

    Now, I think that is itself a bad thing, but saying that the draft is back is not at all accurate.

    We have enough scary shit out there, don't make it worse.

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    @LeslieBurns I wonder who's inflaming this situation? I filled out the card.

    I also did drag from time to time for a little while when that was a disqualifying factor, just in case.

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    • leslieburns@esq.socialL leslieburns@esq.social

      People, the draft is NOT back (yet). Males have had to register for the SSS for a long time now and the change is that instead of them doing it themselves, the government is automatically registering them. That's all (again, for now).

      Now, I think that is itself a bad thing, but saying that the draft is back is not at all accurate.

      We have enough scary shit out there, don't make it worse.

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      @LeslieBurns @mattblaze Who wants to bet that the automatic registration will be facilitated by some half-baked AI though?

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      • misusecase@twit.socialM misusecase@twit.social

        @LeslieBurns @mattblaze Who wants to bet that the automatic registration will be facilitated by some half-baked AI though?

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        @MisuseCase @LeslieBurns No doubt they will make errors. Which raises a question. Failure to register currently has significant consequences: possible criminal prosecution, and, unless you can show the failure wasn't willful, lifetime debarment from certain federal benefits, including employment.

        With automatic registration, will those who aren't auto-registered (through no fault of their own) be entitled to a presumption that their failure wasn't willful? Or is the burden on you to check?

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        • leslieburns@esq.socialL leslieburns@esq.social

          People, the draft is NOT back (yet). Males have had to register for the SSS for a long time now and the change is that instead of them doing it themselves, the government is automatically registering them. That's all (again, for now).

          Now, I think that is itself a bad thing, but saying that the draft is back is not at all accurate.

          We have enough scary shit out there, don't make it worse.

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          @LeslieBurns @mattblaze Back when the world was young and the Vietnam War was raging, there was a lottery based on birthday during some year, assigning each person a number. There was a cut-off number for the year, and if you were eligible for the draft even one day during the year but your number was too high, you were effectively exempt. I lucked out with a high number, and so on December 31 of the appropriate year, I was on line at the main post office in Manhattan to send a certified letter to my draft board surrendering my student deferment. The clerk asked me why so many people were sending certified letters to their draft boards that day…

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          • stevebellovin@infosec.exchangeS stevebellovin@infosec.exchange

            @LeslieBurns @mattblaze Back when the world was young and the Vietnam War was raging, there was a lottery based on birthday during some year, assigning each person a number. There was a cut-off number for the year, and if you were eligible for the draft even one day during the year but your number was too high, you were effectively exempt. I lucked out with a high number, and so on December 31 of the appropriate year, I was on line at the main post office in Manhattan to send a certified letter to my draft board surrendering my student deferment. The clerk asked me why so many people were sending certified letters to their draft boards that day…

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            @SteveBellovin @LeslieBurns And you didn't even have bone spurs!

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            • stevebellovin@infosec.exchangeS stevebellovin@infosec.exchange

              @LeslieBurns @mattblaze Back when the world was young and the Vietnam War was raging, there was a lottery based on birthday during some year, assigning each person a number. There was a cut-off number for the year, and if you were eligible for the draft even one day during the year but your number was too high, you were effectively exempt. I lucked out with a high number, and so on December 31 of the appropriate year, I was on line at the main post office in Manhattan to send a certified letter to my draft board surrendering my student deferment. The clerk asked me why so many people were sending certified letters to their draft boards that day…

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              @SteveBellovin @LeslieBurns The current system is much more convenient. Selective Service now lets you download and print your draft card in case you need to burn one.

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              • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

                @SteveBellovin @LeslieBurns And you didn't even have bone spurs!

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                @mattblaze @LeslieBurns Student deferments were arguably even more unfair, since they applied primarily to college students—predominantly white, at least middle class, etc. Earlier, I had sent a letter to my draft board saying that I didn't know if I could take part in a war I considered morally unjust, and I spent a lot of time wondering what I would do if I received that dreaded letter, but it never happened. (Aside: by that point, other than college students, student deferments were available to seminary students—so seminaries therefore saw quite an enrollment jump, with lots of DD degrees awarded.)

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                • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

                  @MisuseCase @LeslieBurns No doubt they will make errors. Which raises a question. Failure to register currently has significant consequences: possible criminal prosecution, and, unless you can show the failure wasn't willful, lifetime debarment from certain federal benefits, including employment.

                  With automatic registration, will those who aren't auto-registered (through no fault of their own) be entitled to a presumption that their failure wasn't willful? Or is the burden on you to check?

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                  @mattblaze @LeslieBurns I know the answer to that one too. One can’t expect any kind of reasonableness from the people currently in charge.

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                  • stevebellovin@infosec.exchangeS stevebellovin@infosec.exchange

                    @mattblaze @LeslieBurns Student deferments were arguably even more unfair, since they applied primarily to college students—predominantly white, at least middle class, etc. Earlier, I had sent a letter to my draft board saying that I didn't know if I could take part in a war I considered morally unjust, and I spent a lot of time wondering what I would do if I received that dreaded letter, but it never happened. (Aside: by that point, other than college students, student deferments were available to seminary students—so seminaries therefore saw quite an enrollment jump, with lots of DD degrees awarded.)

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                    @SteveBellovin @LeslieBurns I understand that the preferred strategy was to get yourself arrested for littering....

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                    • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

                      @SteveBellovin @LeslieBurns I understand that the preferred strategy was to get yourself arrested for littering....

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                      @mattblaze @LeslieBurns Do I need to repost the link to my Alice's Restaurant photo tour?

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                      • stevebellovin@infosec.exchangeS stevebellovin@infosec.exchange

                        @mattblaze @LeslieBurns Do I need to repost the link to my Alice's Restaurant photo tour?

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                        @SteveBellovin @mattblaze @LeslieBurns yes

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                        • noplasticshower@infosec.exchangeN noplasticshower@infosec.exchange

                          @SteveBellovin @mattblaze @LeslieBurns yes

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                          @noplasticshower @mattblaze @LeslieBurns You got it! The Alice's Restaurant Photo Tour: https://urbandinosaurs.org/blog/2024-12/2024-12-07.html

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                          • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

                            @MisuseCase @LeslieBurns No doubt they will make errors. Which raises a question. Failure to register currently has significant consequences: possible criminal prosecution, and, unless you can show the failure wasn't willful, lifetime debarment from certain federal benefits, including employment.

                            With automatic registration, will those who aren't auto-registered (through no fault of their own) be entitled to a presumption that their failure wasn't willful? Or is the burden on you to check?

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                            @mattblaze @MisuseCase @LeslieBurns

                            I doubt it, even if we get a sorta honest administration again someday.

                            And I suspect you are still liable if they make a mistake, either in registering you, or in updating your address. In the past, failing to update your address was just as great a crime as not registering.

                            Not being sufficiently diligent in making sure they got your new address and updated their records correctly was *also* the same crime.

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                            • stevebellovin@infosec.exchangeS stevebellovin@infosec.exchange

                              @noplasticshower @mattblaze @LeslieBurns You got it! The Alice's Restaurant Photo Tour: https://urbandinosaurs.org/blog/2024-12/2024-12-07.html

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                              @noplasticshower @mattblaze @LeslieBurns (I should post a link every Thanksgiving…)

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                              • stevebellovin@infosec.exchangeS stevebellovin@infosec.exchange

                                @LeslieBurns @mattblaze Back when the world was young and the Vietnam War was raging, there was a lottery based on birthday during some year, assigning each person a number. There was a cut-off number for the year, and if you were eligible for the draft even one day during the year but your number was too high, you were effectively exempt. I lucked out with a high number, and so on December 31 of the appropriate year, I was on line at the main post office in Manhattan to send a certified letter to my draft board surrendering my student deferment. The clerk asked me why so many people were sending certified letters to their draft boards that day…

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                                @SteveBellovin @LeslieBurns @mattblaze I had a low draft number - and mine came up. I had a minor transient, but grounds for exemption, medical condition - so I went to the UCLA medical library and learned how to make it worse, much much worse. I had the full Alice's Restaurant draft physical experience - my ears still are ringing from when the goons screamed into my face that I was lying when I could not read the lines on the eye chart. But my medical "learning" paid off when I got inspected by a doctor who did not want to be there and knew that I did not want to be there.

                                On the way out some guy in a uniform gave me condolences saying "now you'll never be able to join the military".

                                I think I went to Pinks Hot Dogs in Hollywood to celebrate.

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                                • stevebellovin@infosec.exchangeS stevebellovin@infosec.exchange

                                  @noplasticshower @mattblaze @LeslieBurns You got it! The Alice's Restaurant Photo Tour: https://urbandinosaurs.org/blog/2024-12/2024-12-07.html

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                                  @SteveBellovin @noplasticshower @mattblaze @LeslieBurns Was hoping for

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                                  • stevebellovin@infosec.exchangeS stevebellovin@infosec.exchange

                                    @noplasticshower @mattblaze @LeslieBurns You got it! The Alice's Restaurant Photo Tour: https://urbandinosaurs.org/blog/2024-12/2024-12-07.html

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                                    @SteveBellovin @mattblaze @LeslieBurns awesome. Thanks Steve.

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                                    • stevebellovin@infosec.exchangeS stevebellovin@infosec.exchange

                                      @noplasticshower @mattblaze @LeslieBurns (I should post a link every Thanksgiving…)

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                                      @SteveBellovin @mattblaze @LeslieBurns yes

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                                      • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

                                        @SteveBellovin @LeslieBurns I understand that the preferred strategy was to get yourself arrested for littering....

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                                        @mattblaze @SteveBellovin @LeslieBurns That only got you some extra time on the group W bench during your pre draft physical. I can verify that a pending hitch hiking ticket (got it a few days before my physical and hadn't yet paid the fine) also got you a seat on the bench.

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                                        • marchyman@sfba.socialM marchyman@sfba.social

                                          @mattblaze @SteveBellovin @LeslieBurns That only got you some extra time on the group W bench during your pre draft physical. I can verify that a pending hitch hiking ticket (got it a few days before my physical and hadn't yet paid the fine) also got you a seat on the bench.

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                                          @marchyman @SteveBellovin @LeslieBurns Had you rehabilitated yourself, though?

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