People, the draft is NOT back (yet).
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People, the draft is NOT back (yet). Males have had to register for the SSS for a long time now and the change is that instead of them doing it themselves, the government is automatically registering them. That's all (again, for now).
Now, I think that is itself a bad thing, but saying that the draft is back is not at all accurate.
We have enough scary shit out there, don't make it worse.
@LeslieBurns I wonder who's inflaming this situation? I filled out the card.
I also did drag from time to time for a little while when that was a disqualifying factor, just in case.
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People, the draft is NOT back (yet). Males have had to register for the SSS for a long time now and the change is that instead of them doing it themselves, the government is automatically registering them. That's all (again, for now).
Now, I think that is itself a bad thing, but saying that the draft is back is not at all accurate.
We have enough scary shit out there, don't make it worse.
@LeslieBurns @mattblaze Who wants to bet that the automatic registration will be facilitated by some half-baked AI though?
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@LeslieBurns @mattblaze Who wants to bet that the automatic registration will be facilitated by some half-baked AI though?
@MisuseCase @LeslieBurns No doubt they will make errors. Which raises a question. Failure to register currently has significant consequences: possible criminal prosecution, and, unless you can show the failure wasn't willful, lifetime debarment from certain federal benefits, including employment.
With automatic registration, will those who aren't auto-registered (through no fault of their own) be entitled to a presumption that their failure wasn't willful? Or is the burden on you to check?
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People, the draft is NOT back (yet). Males have had to register for the SSS for a long time now and the change is that instead of them doing it themselves, the government is automatically registering them. That's all (again, for now).
Now, I think that is itself a bad thing, but saying that the draft is back is not at all accurate.
We have enough scary shit out there, don't make it worse.
@LeslieBurns @mattblaze Back when the world was young and the Vietnam War was raging, there was a lottery based on birthday during some year, assigning each person a number. There was a cut-off number for the year, and if you were eligible for the draft even one day during the year but your number was too high, you were effectively exempt. I lucked out with a high number, and so on December 31 of the appropriate year, I was on line at the main post office in Manhattan to send a certified letter to my draft board surrendering my student deferment. The clerk asked me why so many people were sending certified letters to their draft boards that day…
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@LeslieBurns @mattblaze Back when the world was young and the Vietnam War was raging, there was a lottery based on birthday during some year, assigning each person a number. There was a cut-off number for the year, and if you were eligible for the draft even one day during the year but your number was too high, you were effectively exempt. I lucked out with a high number, and so on December 31 of the appropriate year, I was on line at the main post office in Manhattan to send a certified letter to my draft board surrendering my student deferment. The clerk asked me why so many people were sending certified letters to their draft boards that day…
@SteveBellovin @LeslieBurns And you didn't even have bone spurs!
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@LeslieBurns @mattblaze Back when the world was young and the Vietnam War was raging, there was a lottery based on birthday during some year, assigning each person a number. There was a cut-off number for the year, and if you were eligible for the draft even one day during the year but your number was too high, you were effectively exempt. I lucked out with a high number, and so on December 31 of the appropriate year, I was on line at the main post office in Manhattan to send a certified letter to my draft board surrendering my student deferment. The clerk asked me why so many people were sending certified letters to their draft boards that day…
@SteveBellovin @LeslieBurns The current system is much more convenient. Selective Service now lets you download and print your draft card in case you need to burn one.
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@SteveBellovin @LeslieBurns And you didn't even have bone spurs!
@mattblaze @LeslieBurns Student deferments were arguably even more unfair, since they applied primarily to college students—predominantly white, at least middle class, etc. Earlier, I had sent a letter to my draft board saying that I didn't know if I could take part in a war I considered morally unjust, and I spent a lot of time wondering what I would do if I received that dreaded letter, but it never happened. (Aside: by that point, other than college students, student deferments were available to seminary students—so seminaries therefore saw quite an enrollment jump, with lots of DD degrees awarded.)
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@MisuseCase @LeslieBurns No doubt they will make errors. Which raises a question. Failure to register currently has significant consequences: possible criminal prosecution, and, unless you can show the failure wasn't willful, lifetime debarment from certain federal benefits, including employment.
With automatic registration, will those who aren't auto-registered (through no fault of their own) be entitled to a presumption that their failure wasn't willful? Or is the burden on you to check?
@mattblaze @LeslieBurns I know the answer to that one too. One can’t expect any kind of reasonableness from the people currently in charge.
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@mattblaze @LeslieBurns Student deferments were arguably even more unfair, since they applied primarily to college students—predominantly white, at least middle class, etc. Earlier, I had sent a letter to my draft board saying that I didn't know if I could take part in a war I considered morally unjust, and I spent a lot of time wondering what I would do if I received that dreaded letter, but it never happened. (Aside: by that point, other than college students, student deferments were available to seminary students—so seminaries therefore saw quite an enrollment jump, with lots of DD degrees awarded.)
@SteveBellovin @LeslieBurns I understand that the preferred strategy was to get yourself arrested for littering....
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@SteveBellovin @LeslieBurns I understand that the preferred strategy was to get yourself arrested for littering....
@mattblaze @LeslieBurns Do I need to repost the link to my Alice's Restaurant photo tour?
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@mattblaze @LeslieBurns Do I need to repost the link to my Alice's Restaurant photo tour?
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@noplasticshower @mattblaze @LeslieBurns You got it! The Alice's Restaurant Photo Tour: https://urbandinosaurs.org/blog/2024-12/2024-12-07.html
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@MisuseCase @LeslieBurns No doubt they will make errors. Which raises a question. Failure to register currently has significant consequences: possible criminal prosecution, and, unless you can show the failure wasn't willful, lifetime debarment from certain federal benefits, including employment.
With automatic registration, will those who aren't auto-registered (through no fault of their own) be entitled to a presumption that their failure wasn't willful? Or is the burden on you to check?
@mattblaze @MisuseCase @LeslieBurns
I doubt it, even if we get a sorta honest administration again someday.
And I suspect you are still liable if they make a mistake, either in registering you, or in updating your address. In the past, failing to update your address was just as great a crime as not registering.
Not being sufficiently diligent in making sure they got your new address and updated their records correctly was *also* the same crime.
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@noplasticshower @mattblaze @LeslieBurns You got it! The Alice's Restaurant Photo Tour: https://urbandinosaurs.org/blog/2024-12/2024-12-07.html
@noplasticshower @mattblaze @LeslieBurns (I should post a link every Thanksgiving…)
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@LeslieBurns @mattblaze Back when the world was young and the Vietnam War was raging, there was a lottery based on birthday during some year, assigning each person a number. There was a cut-off number for the year, and if you were eligible for the draft even one day during the year but your number was too high, you were effectively exempt. I lucked out with a high number, and so on December 31 of the appropriate year, I was on line at the main post office in Manhattan to send a certified letter to my draft board surrendering my student deferment. The clerk asked me why so many people were sending certified letters to their draft boards that day…
@SteveBellovin @LeslieBurns @mattblaze I had a low draft number - and mine came up. I had a minor transient, but grounds for exemption, medical condition - so I went to the UCLA medical library and learned how to make it worse, much much worse. I had the full Alice's Restaurant draft physical experience - my ears still are ringing from when the goons screamed into my face that I was lying when I could not read the lines on the eye chart. But my medical "learning" paid off when I got inspected by a doctor who did not want to be there and knew that I did not want to be there.
On the way out some guy in a uniform gave me condolences saying "now you'll never be able to join the military".
I think I went to Pinks Hot Dogs in Hollywood to celebrate.
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@noplasticshower @mattblaze @LeslieBurns You got it! The Alice's Restaurant Photo Tour: https://urbandinosaurs.org/blog/2024-12/2024-12-07.html
@SteveBellovin @noplasticshower @mattblaze @LeslieBurns Was hoping for

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@noplasticshower @mattblaze @LeslieBurns You got it! The Alice's Restaurant Photo Tour: https://urbandinosaurs.org/blog/2024-12/2024-12-07.html
@SteveBellovin @mattblaze @LeslieBurns awesome. Thanks Steve.
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@noplasticshower @mattblaze @LeslieBurns (I should post a link every Thanksgiving…)
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@SteveBellovin @LeslieBurns I understand that the preferred strategy was to get yourself arrested for littering....
@mattblaze @SteveBellovin @LeslieBurns That only got you some extra time on the group W bench during your pre draft physical. I can verify that a pending hitch hiking ticket (got it a few days before my physical and hadn't yet paid the fine) also got you a seat on the bench.
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@mattblaze @SteveBellovin @LeslieBurns That only got you some extra time on the group W bench during your pre draft physical. I can verify that a pending hitch hiking ticket (got it a few days before my physical and hadn't yet paid the fine) also got you a seat on the bench.
@marchyman @SteveBellovin @LeslieBurns Had you rehabilitated yourself, though?