People, the draft is NOT back (yet).
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@LeslieBurns It certainly might make one wonder why we can’t be automatically registered to vote
@hydropsyche Exactly. I've seen some people raising this issue.
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People, the draft is NOT back (yet). Males have had to register for the SSS for a long time now and the change is that instead of them doing it themselves, the government is automatically registering them. That's all (again, for now).
Now, I think that is itself a bad thing, but saying that the draft is back is not at all accurate.
We have enough scary shit out there, don't make it worse.
@LeslieBurns
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@LeslieBurns It certainly might make one wonder why we can’t be automatically registered to vote
@hydropsyche @LeslieBurns Bingo.
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People, the draft is NOT back (yet). Males have had to register for the SSS for a long time now and the change is that instead of them doing it themselves, the government is automatically registering them. That's all (again, for now).
Now, I think that is itself a bad thing, but saying that the draft is back is not at all accurate.
We have enough scary shit out there, don't make it worse.
@LeslieBurns On the other hand many of us are, without knowing it, part of the "militia of the United States"....
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
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People, the draft is NOT back (yet). Males have had to register for the SSS for a long time now and the change is that instead of them doing it themselves, the government is automatically registering them. That's all (again, for now).
Now, I think that is itself a bad thing, but saying that the draft is back is not at all accurate.
We have enough scary shit out there, don't make it worse.
My point was entirely focused on the fact that "men" were specifically mentioned
What with Pete #KineticStrike #Hegseth being who he is and all, that specific declaration carries a lot of weight with me
IOW: no women need apply, and no women will even be "selected"
There will be no girls in Hegseth's #MansArmy
And there's the issue of exactly what dataset / database is the source here
The IRS was it? A specific subset culled by #Musk's little #DOGE #Shitlords?
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@LeslieBurns It certainly might make one wonder why we can’t be automatically registered to vote
Quite a few states have automatic voter registration (AVR). My state, Oregon, has AVR.
It's often called "motor voter" because it started at the DMV (dept of motor vehicles) Some states are looking beyond the DMV to get more people automatically registered to vote.
And then there's North Dakota which doesn't even require registration!
Sorry if this is too rambling, voting issues are interesting to me.
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People, the draft is NOT back (yet). Males have had to register for the SSS for a long time now and the change is that instead of them doing it themselves, the government is automatically registering them. That's all (again, for now).
Now, I think that is itself a bad thing, but saying that the draft is back is not at all accurate.
We have enough scary shit out there, don't make it worse.
@LeslieBurns I wonder who's inflaming this situation? I filled out the card.
I also did drag from time to time for a little while when that was a disqualifying factor, just in case.
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People, the draft is NOT back (yet). Males have had to register for the SSS for a long time now and the change is that instead of them doing it themselves, the government is automatically registering them. That's all (again, for now).
Now, I think that is itself a bad thing, but saying that the draft is back is not at all accurate.
We have enough scary shit out there, don't make it worse.
@LeslieBurns @mattblaze Who wants to bet that the automatic registration will be facilitated by some half-baked AI though?
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@LeslieBurns @mattblaze Who wants to bet that the automatic registration will be facilitated by some half-baked AI though?
@MisuseCase @LeslieBurns No doubt they will make errors. Which raises a question. Failure to register currently has significant consequences: possible criminal prosecution, and, unless you can show the failure wasn't willful, lifetime debarment from certain federal benefits, including employment.
With automatic registration, will those who aren't auto-registered (through no fault of their own) be entitled to a presumption that their failure wasn't willful? Or is the burden on you to check?
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People, the draft is NOT back (yet). Males have had to register for the SSS for a long time now and the change is that instead of them doing it themselves, the government is automatically registering them. That's all (again, for now).
Now, I think that is itself a bad thing, but saying that the draft is back is not at all accurate.
We have enough scary shit out there, don't make it worse.
@LeslieBurns @mattblaze Back when the world was young and the Vietnam War was raging, there was a lottery based on birthday during some year, assigning each person a number. There was a cut-off number for the year, and if you were eligible for the draft even one day during the year but your number was too high, you were effectively exempt. I lucked out with a high number, and so on December 31 of the appropriate year, I was on line at the main post office in Manhattan to send a certified letter to my draft board surrendering my student deferment. The clerk asked me why so many people were sending certified letters to their draft boards that day…
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@LeslieBurns @mattblaze Back when the world was young and the Vietnam War was raging, there was a lottery based on birthday during some year, assigning each person a number. There was a cut-off number for the year, and if you were eligible for the draft even one day during the year but your number was too high, you were effectively exempt. I lucked out with a high number, and so on December 31 of the appropriate year, I was on line at the main post office in Manhattan to send a certified letter to my draft board surrendering my student deferment. The clerk asked me why so many people were sending certified letters to their draft boards that day…
@SteveBellovin @LeslieBurns And you didn't even have bone spurs!
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@LeslieBurns @mattblaze Back when the world was young and the Vietnam War was raging, there was a lottery based on birthday during some year, assigning each person a number. There was a cut-off number for the year, and if you were eligible for the draft even one day during the year but your number was too high, you were effectively exempt. I lucked out with a high number, and so on December 31 of the appropriate year, I was on line at the main post office in Manhattan to send a certified letter to my draft board surrendering my student deferment. The clerk asked me why so many people were sending certified letters to their draft boards that day…
@SteveBellovin @LeslieBurns The current system is much more convenient. Selective Service now lets you download and print your draft card in case you need to burn one.
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@SteveBellovin @LeslieBurns And you didn't even have bone spurs!
@mattblaze @LeslieBurns Student deferments were arguably even more unfair, since they applied primarily to college students—predominantly white, at least middle class, etc. Earlier, I had sent a letter to my draft board saying that I didn't know if I could take part in a war I considered morally unjust, and I spent a lot of time wondering what I would do if I received that dreaded letter, but it never happened. (Aside: by that point, other than college students, student deferments were available to seminary students—so seminaries therefore saw quite an enrollment jump, with lots of DD degrees awarded.)
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@MisuseCase @LeslieBurns No doubt they will make errors. Which raises a question. Failure to register currently has significant consequences: possible criminal prosecution, and, unless you can show the failure wasn't willful, lifetime debarment from certain federal benefits, including employment.
With automatic registration, will those who aren't auto-registered (through no fault of their own) be entitled to a presumption that their failure wasn't willful? Or is the burden on you to check?
@mattblaze @LeslieBurns I know the answer to that one too. One can’t expect any kind of reasonableness from the people currently in charge.
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@mattblaze @LeslieBurns Student deferments were arguably even more unfair, since they applied primarily to college students—predominantly white, at least middle class, etc. Earlier, I had sent a letter to my draft board saying that I didn't know if I could take part in a war I considered morally unjust, and I spent a lot of time wondering what I would do if I received that dreaded letter, but it never happened. (Aside: by that point, other than college students, student deferments were available to seminary students—so seminaries therefore saw quite an enrollment jump, with lots of DD degrees awarded.)
@SteveBellovin @LeslieBurns I understand that the preferred strategy was to get yourself arrested for littering....
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@SteveBellovin @LeslieBurns I understand that the preferred strategy was to get yourself arrested for littering....
@mattblaze @LeslieBurns Do I need to repost the link to my Alice's Restaurant photo tour?
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@mattblaze @LeslieBurns Do I need to repost the link to my Alice's Restaurant photo tour?
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@noplasticshower @mattblaze @LeslieBurns You got it! The Alice's Restaurant Photo Tour: https://urbandinosaurs.org/blog/2024-12/2024-12-07.html
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@MisuseCase @LeslieBurns No doubt they will make errors. Which raises a question. Failure to register currently has significant consequences: possible criminal prosecution, and, unless you can show the failure wasn't willful, lifetime debarment from certain federal benefits, including employment.
With automatic registration, will those who aren't auto-registered (through no fault of their own) be entitled to a presumption that their failure wasn't willful? Or is the burden on you to check?
@mattblaze @MisuseCase @LeslieBurns
I doubt it, even if we get a sorta honest administration again someday.
And I suspect you are still liable if they make a mistake, either in registering you, or in updating your address. In the past, failing to update your address was just as great a crime as not registering.
Not being sufficiently diligent in making sure they got your new address and updated their records correctly was *also* the same crime.
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@noplasticshower @mattblaze @LeslieBurns You got it! The Alice's Restaurant Photo Tour: https://urbandinosaurs.org/blog/2024-12/2024-12-07.html
@noplasticshower @mattblaze @LeslieBurns (I should post a link every Thanksgiving…)
