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  • smallcircles@social.coopS smallcircles@social.coop

    @unattributed

    On that last bit..

    "If as a developer you call your people users, you just lost the first battle of a great solution design."

    -- Some dude on the fediverse 😅

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    @smallcircles Well, there are a couple of potential negative connotations to the word user.  First, "user" was frequently used in the 90's for the customers that purchased some software products.

    Then there is also the connotation of "drug" users.

    Maybe the Fediverse is better thought of as groups of participants in communities that may or may not overlap.

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    • unattributed@gotosocial.socialU unattributed@gotosocial.social

      @smallcircles Well, there are a couple of potential negative connotations to the word user.  First, "user" was frequently used in the 90's for the customers that purchased some software products.

      Then there is also the connotation of "drug" users.

      Maybe the Fediverse is better thought of as groups of participants in communities that may or may not overlap.

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      @smallcircles Just re-thinking this a moment... What if it can be seen as individuals that define their own communities (which may / may not overlap).

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      • unattributed@gotosocial.socialU unattributed@gotosocial.social

        @smallcircles Just re-thinking this a moment... What if it can be seen as individuals that define their own communities (which may / may not overlap).

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        #144

        @unattributed exactly.

        I practiced myself in avoidance of the term, and found that to be refreshing and lending a different perspective.

        "Users" carries an aspect of depersonalization, but also implies an ownership relationship that creeps into the developers thinking, and even where the noble ones say "I serve MY users" it has consequences to the entire dynamics around software dynamics, and how the solution deliverable is able to serve the needs of different stakeholder groups.

        Social experience design focusses on needs-based development and starts to consider problem statements first for all identified stakeholders in the solution delivery process.

        For fediverse I use #fedizens on occasion, the residents of the fedi universe.

        #SX #SocialCoding

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        • amans@piaille.frA amans@piaille.fr

          @smallcircles 70% cozy village ! My... expérience is so different of obvious majorities ! Even here

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          @amans happy to hear that! There are a lot of fedi villagers on this thread, which is delightful. 😃

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          • smallcircles@social.coopS smallcircles@social.coop

            @unattributed exactly.

            I practiced myself in avoidance of the term, and found that to be refreshing and lending a different perspective.

            "Users" carries an aspect of depersonalization, but also implies an ownership relationship that creeps into the developers thinking, and even where the noble ones say "I serve MY users" it has consequences to the entire dynamics around software dynamics, and how the solution deliverable is able to serve the needs of different stakeholder groups.

            Social experience design focusses on needs-based development and starts to consider problem statements first for all identified stakeholders in the solution delivery process.

            For fediverse I use #fedizens on occasion, the residents of the fedi universe.

            #SX #SocialCoding

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            @unattributed

            Note that once you are conditioned to avoid the term "User" after a full career of addictive use of the word in that dev context, you start to notice how weird and awkward it really is.

            You don't notice that while still addicted to your daily dose of saying "user" in broad generalization and technical abstraction. Devs think it is practical to use the word, pragmatic. But it is not. It is a technical word, and the use is similar to when a dev says "JSON" for instance. It is depersonalized, and that depersonalization seeps deep into the codebase over time. It is a word that anchors devs in the technosphere and keeps them there.

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            • smallcircles@social.coopS smallcircles@social.coop

              @amans happy to hear that! There are a lot of fedi villagers on this thread, which is delightful. 😃

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              @smallcircles happy to read this also

              Well, let's try to cross more often the ocean then to join your social village-like (i understand "good-will-and-possibly-kind") communitieS

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              • amans@piaille.frA amans@piaille.fr

                @smallcircles happy to read this also

                Well, let's try to cross more often the ocean then to join your social village-like (i understand "good-will-and-possibly-kind") communitieS

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                @amans certainly, and welcome 🤗

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                • smallcircles@social.coopS smallcircles@social.coop

                  Complete this sentence:

                  "I experience #fediverse as a .."

                  #Poll #AskFedi #Microblogging #Mastodon #ActivityPub

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                  @smallcircles A friendly global village, although a bit white.

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                  • smallcircles@social.coopS smallcircles@social.coop

                    Complete this sentence:

                    "I experience #fediverse as a .."

                    #Poll #AskFedi #Microblogging #Mastodon #ActivityPub

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                    @smallcircles An opensource school

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                    • smallcircles@social.coopS smallcircles@social.coop

                      @octarine_wiggle I like that description, thanks.

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                      @smallcircles I should mention I was trying to capture my experience as an anonymous user. I would still guess the town analogy is generally apt.

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                      • cedo@mastodon.nlC cedo@mastodon.nl

                        @smallcircles An opensource school

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                        @CEDO

                        Een sidestep.. Het valt me op dat bijna niemand op de fediverse meer boost. Een boost is een schaars goed, en op zich is dat een gunstige ontwikkeling die aansluit bi het Personal social networking paradigma van SX. Maar voor orgs en mensen die een goede boodschap willen overdragen naar een groter publiek, zoals ook CEDO, is het geen goede zaak. Er moet een goede balans zijn, waarbij ook non-profits en actie groepen het gevoel hebben nut te behalen dmv campagnes i.p.v. tijdrovende friend-of-a-friend netwerk opbouw.

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                        • octarine_wiggle@mastodon.auO octarine_wiggle@mastodon.au

                          @smallcircles I should mention I was trying to capture my experience as an anonymous user. I would still guess the town analogy is generally apt.

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                          @octarine_wiggle

                          That is a nice thing the fediverse offers. Note that if you enter a descriptive email in your account registration, or talk about personal matters in fedi direct messages, then technically you are pseudonymous as the instance admins have access to that information if they wish to.

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                          • smallcircles@social.coopS smallcircles@social.coop

                            Complete this sentence:

                            "I experience #fediverse as a .."

                            #Poll #AskFedi #Microblogging #Mastodon #ActivityPub

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                            @smallcircles Bustling city where everyone says hello and folks are mostly nice … so, not a real city and not entirely "bustling"

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                            • smallcircles@social.coopS smallcircles@social.coop

                              Complete this sentence:

                              "I experience #fediverse as a .."

                              #Poll #AskFedi #Microblogging #Mastodon #ActivityPub

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                              @smallcircles kudos for your reply-reply stamina!

                              I keep retuning to be any one of those things and more, depending on my prevailing energy/focus here/mood ... that's the beauty -- if frustration at the time it takes -- of being your own algo-creator.

                              [edit] -- notices "Automated" in the profile. Wonders ... HOW automated !!?

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                              • smallcircles@social.coopS smallcircles@social.coop

                                Complete this sentence:

                                "I experience #fediverse as a .."

                                #Poll #AskFedi #Microblogging #Mastodon #ActivityPub

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                                @smallcircles Personal take, after thinking for quite a while about that: A larger metropolitan area in the global Northwest. Not too densely populated but far-reaching and covering a lot of real estate. A lot of roads and interconnects in between different parts, partly along areas that have been somewhat structured but in the end not really grown into /any/ kind of meaningful use. And a lot of more clearly outlined neighbourhoods of very different kinds, styles, attitudes and openness towards new arrivals or strangers, including places were you'd like to settle and stay for an indefinite amout of time and ... places, people you'd better avoid without taking a closer look or even stopping there.

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                                • smallcircles@social.coopS smallcircles@social.coop

                                  Complete this sentence:

                                  "I experience #fediverse as a .."

                                  #Poll #AskFedi #Microblogging #Mastodon #ActivityPub

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                                  @smallcircles A cosy village with a bustling public transit system bussing in interesting people to see people I like who say hello with a cheery wave as they pass by.

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                                  • smallcircles@social.coopS smallcircles@social.coop

                                    Complete this sentence:

                                    "I experience #fediverse as a .."

                                    #Poll #AskFedi #Microblogging #Mastodon #ActivityPub

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                                    @smallcircles a federation of planets like in start trek

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                                    • wavesculptor@climatejustice.socialW wavesculptor@climatejustice.social

                                      @smallcircles kudos for your reply-reply stamina!

                                      I keep retuning to be any one of those things and more, depending on my prevailing energy/focus here/mood ... that's the beauty -- if frustration at the time it takes -- of being your own algo-creator.

                                      [edit] -- notices "Automated" in the profile. Wonders ... HOW automated !!?

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                                      @wavesculptor

                                      Thank you!

                                      An insight of this thread, also indicated in your post, is that everyone creates their own social experience and can foster good habits to improve it. Fediverse allows us to do that. It enables us to be more social online and improve our 'cyberspace' cultures. A paradigm shift towards Personal social networking.

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                                      PS. It is really me, a person formally known as @humanetech at mastodon social. The 'automated' indicator was first of all a tease (a hedonic driver), but also the intent to use this account as an organization channel for Social coding commons, operated by a group of people. Which didn't happen thus far. Things move slow, and time moves fast. There's no automation, just plain masto web UI and me typing 🙂

                                      That said, given the huge disruption we face today with AI et al, much more pondering of the risk and impact are in order, than the random firings of complaints into the ether I see so often. See:

                                      🫧 socialcoding.. (@smallcircles@social.coop)

                                      Whatever we think of #AI / #LLM mad hype cycle, we have to deal with its rushed and inhumane dumping of the technology into global human society. #CALMculture is a strategic approach to that allows activist voices to have the most impact in dealing with the dangers of disruptive technology introductions, and focuses beyond berating people and demanding sacrifice ("don't use, or else.."), to creating a process that helps win people over and work together on best outcomes and in direction of solutions. #CALM stands for Constructive activism-led movements, such as Social coding commons. Coding is social, and #SocialCoding the holistic approach to ensure that. Social coding commons evolves Social experience design or #SX, solution development for grassroots movements, supported by the #SocialWeb. In the thread below I copied a post to #Gleam's community with a suggestion to ponder about best outcomes from current and ongoing AI disruption, and deal with risks. https://discuss.coding.social/t/calm-culture-to-ensure-best-outcomes-to-ai-disruption/831

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                                      • smallcircles@social.coopS smallcircles@social.coop

                                        @unattributed

                                        Note that once you are conditioned to avoid the term "User" after a full career of addictive use of the word in that dev context, you start to notice how weird and awkward it really is.

                                        You don't notice that while still addicted to your daily dose of saying "user" in broad generalization and technical abstraction. Devs think it is practical to use the word, pragmatic. But it is not. It is a technical word, and the use is similar to when a dev says "JSON" for instance. It is depersonalized, and that depersonalization seeps deep into the codebase over time. It is a word that anchors devs in the technosphere and keeps them there.

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                                        @smallcircles @unattributed

                                        What would be an alternative to the word User?

                                        In my dayjob we have Organizations aka "Customers" with groups of "Users" who use our service for their journalistic work.
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                                        • smallcircles@social.coopS smallcircles@social.coop

                                          @draNgNon that sounds a bit like influencer-style social media then. Is it a cacophony in a good way, or not? Would a Google+ like Circles functionality, such as Bonfire are bringing to the fediverse, bring solace?

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                                          @smallcircles your question is a cognitive dissonance for me.

                                          Firstly, I've only ever experienced Google+ circles in an environment where the participants are similar to LinkedIn, posting about professional topics and/or corporate syncophacy. They are a good way to seal yourself into an echo chamber/bubble, even within that type of discourse

                                          Secondly, influencer social media always feels more like people pitching their point of view or hot take or maybe just themselves. It's about collecting follower count for credibility. Fedi mostly isn't like that but there are some.

                                          Lastly, I'm in the US, right now with political situation there is necessarily disruption and shouting and points to be made. (Some of them might even be correct!). But it does affect social media experience; it would probably make matters worse to increase the echo chamber effects.

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