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It's either very funny or very depressing to watch executives trip over themselves to prove who has the worst understanding of what software development actually entails.

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  • fubaroque@mastodon.socialF fubaroque@mastodon.social

    @cloudhop The only time software development was ever constrained by typing speed was when we still had to do it over a 1200 modem connection. And guess what? There were ways to work around that.

    #idiots

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    @cloudhop Actually, the latency was the problem not the speed. 😘

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    • cloudhop@equestria.socialC cloudhop@equestria.social

      It's either very funny or very depressing to watch executives trip over themselves to prove who has the worst understanding of what software development actually entails.

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      @cloudhop hmm, I wonder why windows has all of a sudden released some of its worst patches in history 🤔 🤔

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      • jernej__s@infosec.exchangeJ jernej__s@infosec.exchange

        @cloudhop 20-30% of AI-generated code in Windows seems to be going really well:
        https://www.theverge.com/news/867647/microsoft-windows-11-january-2026-update-bugs-issues
        https://www.pcworld.com/article/3060768/windows-11-update-kb5077181-causes-startup-problems-heres-what-you-can-do.html

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        @jernej__s @cloudhop I'd be really interested in knowing how the bugs relate to areas with LLM-generated code in.

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        • interru@hooves.socialI interru@hooves.social

          @cloudhop@equestria.social

          Software development is no longer constrained by typing speed, but by how clearly engineers articulate intent.
          Writing code directly without AI articulates intent best. So, vibe coding is about articulating vague intent and hoping magic 8-ball fills the gaps im such a way that it covers your use case.

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          @interru @cloudhop Once again they don't understand that the purpose of a programming language is to allow unambiguous expression of intent.

          But then, that's how ruling classes work. They don't do the hard work and they don't understand the hard work. Which takes more knowledge, growing crops with your own labor, or ordering soldiers to collect the grain at spear-point?

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          • cloudhop@equestria.socialC cloudhop@equestria.social

            It's either very funny or very depressing to watch executives trip over themselves to prove who has the worst understanding of what software development actually entails.

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            @cloudhop A lot of people are absolutely horrified to discover I can't touch-type. Just never bothered to learn. Because it doesn't limit me.

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            • cloudhop@equestria.socialC cloudhop@equestria.social

              It's either very funny or very depressing to watch executives trip over themselves to prove who has the worst understanding of what software development actually entails.

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              @cloudhop

              Indeed. I have more than once been talking to someone, and when they found out what I did, they said something along the lines of "I could have been a software developer; I type pretty fast".

              Always cocksure, overconfident young white men, now that I think of it.

              When a CEO says this, I think it's time to sell the stock 😃

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              • cloudhop@equestria.socialC cloudhop@equestria.social

                It's either very funny or very depressing to watch executives trip over themselves to prove who has the worst understanding of what software development actually entails.

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                RE: https://equestria.social/@cloudhop/116077882659405785

                @cloudhop Didn't we move away from waterfall design because detailed specification and anticipating intent were too difficult?

                Asking for a friend.

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                • cloudhop@equestria.socialC cloudhop@equestria.social

                  It's either very funny or very depressing to watch executives trip over themselves to prove who has the worst understanding of what software development actually entails.

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                  @cloudhop “Serial entrepreneur“ is just another term for “con-artist”.

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                  • cloudhop@equestria.socialC cloudhop@equestria.social

                    It's either very funny or very depressing to watch executives trip over themselves to prove who has the worst understanding of what software development actually entails.

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                    @cloudhop Both.

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                    • jorismeys@mstdn.socialJ jorismeys@mstdn.social

                      RE: https://equestria.social/@cloudhop/116077882659405785

                      @cloudhop Equally funny (or depressing) to watch CEOs not seeing how "20-30% Microsoft code now written by AI" at the same time we see "security leak in Notepad" and "Windows 11 performance drop after last update" is not a recommendation for AI...

                      So can we tap the sign "when a measure becomes the goal, it stops being a measure" a few more times? One day they'll get it. One day...

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                      @JorisMeys @cloudhop and the next day they'll forget.

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                      • cloudhop@equestria.socialC cloudhop@equestria.social

                        It's either very funny or very depressing to watch executives trip over themselves to prove who has the worst understanding of what software development actually entails.

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                        • cloudhop@equestria.socialC cloudhop@equestria.social

                          It's either very funny or very depressing to watch executives trip over themselves to prove who has the worst understanding of what software development actually entails.

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                          @cloudhop imagine being like 'now buildings are no longer constrained by the speed at which we mill wood'

                          like ok uh that
                          really isnt the major factor in what takes up the time of this lengthy engineering and construction process tho

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                          • cloudhop@equestria.socialC cloudhop@equestria.social

                            It's either very funny or very depressing to watch executives trip over themselves to prove who has the worst understanding of what software development actually entails.

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                            @cloudhop yeah and imagine the medical breakthroughs we'll get when surgeons are no longer constrained by scalpel speed!!

                            🙄🤦‍♂️

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                            • cloudhop@equestria.socialC cloudhop@equestria.social

                              It's either very funny or very depressing to watch executives trip over themselves to prove who has the worst understanding of what software development actually entails.

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                              @cloudhop

                              The rich has zero idea about the labour AND the product. For them, everything is just commodity. Maybe because they have zero taste.

                              Which might explain why most of the luxury goods are so ugly.

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                              • cloudhop@equestria.socialC cloudhop@equestria.social

                                It's either very funny or very depressing to watch executives trip over themselves to prove who has the worst understanding of what software development actually entails.

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                                @cloudhop if programming is mostly typing, can we maybe consider designing better programming languages?

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                                • bri7@social.treehouse.systemsB bri7@social.treehouse.systems

                                  @cloudhop if programming is mostly typing, can we maybe consider designing better programming languages?

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                                  @bri7 Ironically i've been trying to help my friend design a new programming language but nobody seems to think that better type systems are worth bothering with, they just look at the syntax.

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                                  • cloudhop@equestria.socialC cloudhop@equestria.social

                                    @bri7 Ironically i've been trying to help my friend design a new programming language but nobody seems to think that better type systems are worth bothering with, they just look at the syntax.

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                                    @cloudhop in
                                    my humble opinion: better type systems, yes;

                                    more type annotations and type syntax: no

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                                    • bri7@social.treehouse.systemsB bri7@social.treehouse.systems

                                      @cloudhop in
                                      my humble opinion: better type systems, yes;

                                      more type annotations and type syntax: no

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                                      @cloudhop more types does not lead to better types

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                                      • bri7@social.treehouse.systemsB bri7@social.treehouse.systems

                                        @cloudhop in
                                        my humble opinion: better type systems, yes;

                                        more type annotations and type syntax: no

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                                        @bri7 See, it's hard to explain to people that you need a much more complex and powerful type system in order to *reduce* type annotations precisely because of unsolved problems surrounding inference algorithms (which is precisely what broke our first attempt). For some reason most people seem to think "better types" means "more type annotations" and I'm not sure how to explain the difference.

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                                        • cloudhop@equestria.socialC cloudhop@equestria.social

                                          It's either very funny or very depressing to watch executives trip over themselves to prove who has the worst understanding of what software development actually entails.

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                                          @cloudhop what does he... how...

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