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It's either very funny or very depressing to watch executives trip over themselves to prove who has the worst understanding of what software development actually entails.

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  • zdl@mstdn.socialZ zdl@mstdn.social

    @cloudhop I've heard the claim from my SO that he gets about 12 lines of code in the final product per day. Is that true? If so, it's definitely not typing speed that restricts him since he types waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay faster than me and I type waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay faster than most of my colleagues.

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    @ZDL @cloudhop This is a metric that I’ve heard in different contexts and it bears out in almost every project I’ve contributed to. It’s 10-14 lines of code that eventually make it into the finished product. On average, if programmers write 100 lines per day, 90 of them will be changed eventually.

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    • cloudhop@equestria.socialC cloudhop@equestria.social

      It's either very funny or very depressing to watch executives trip over themselves to prove who has the worst understanding of what software development actually entails.

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      @cloudhop Software development is about as typing constrained as storytelling.

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      • cloudhop@equestria.socialC cloudhop@equestria.social

        It's either very funny or very depressing to watch executives trip over themselves to prove who has the worst understanding of what software development actually entails.

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        @cloudhop seriously... I spent far longer planning and designing a complex embedded system than actually coding it. Typing in the code is the easy part.

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        • sabrinaweb71@sociale.networkS sabrinaweb71@sociale.network

          @cloudhop typing speed? I'm speechless, do they even know what they're talking about?

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          #28

          @sabrinaweb71 @cloudhop No, no. They don't know anything. We're not seeing true consciousness here, just an (admittedly surprisingly convincing) example of mimicry.

          And then there are the LLMs…

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          • cloudhop@equestria.socialC cloudhop@equestria.social

            It's either very funny or very depressing to watch executives trip over themselves to prove who has the worst understanding of what software development actually entails.

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            @cloudhop The number of times in 30+ years my development speed has been constrained by the speed of my fingers: 0.

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            • cloudhop@equestria.socialC cloudhop@equestria.social

              It's either very funny or very depressing to watch executives trip over themselves to prove who has the worst understanding of what software development actually entails.

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              #30

              @cloudhop
              I remember managers at a firm I worked for suggesting that the typists should enter the code to speed things up 😝

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              • cloudhop@equestria.socialC cloudhop@equestria.social

                It's either very funny or very depressing to watch executives trip over themselves to prove who has the worst understanding of what software development actually entails.

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                @cloudhop where did they get the idea that software development was constrained by typing speed? From Zootopia??

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                • cloudhop@equestria.socialC cloudhop@equestria.social

                  It's either very funny or very depressing to watch executives trip over themselves to prove who has the worst understanding of what software development actually entails.

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                  #32

                  @cloudhop I find this stuff more fun to read if you replace "AI" with "Steve".

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                  • cloudhop@equestria.socialC cloudhop@equestria.social

                    It's either very funny or very depressing to watch executives trip over themselves to prove who has the worst understanding of what software development actually entails.

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                    @cloudhop many people believe that my job as a professional software developer is to literally press keys that enter values into a buffer. I don't mind that the general public has that misconception, but I do wish the people leading software orgs understood that's not the job

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                    • cloudhop@equestria.socialC cloudhop@equestria.social

                      It's either very funny or very depressing to watch executives trip over themselves to prove who has the worst understanding of what software development actually entails.

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                      @cloudhop This dude really wants to tell us that he doesn't code without telling us that he doesn't code.

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                      • cloudhop@equestria.socialC cloudhop@equestria.social

                        It's either very funny or very depressing to watch executives trip over themselves to prove who has the worst understanding of what software development actually entails.

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                        RE: https://equestria.social/@cloudhop/116077882659405785

                        @cloudhop Equally funny (or depressing) to watch CEOs not seeing how "20-30% Microsoft code now written by AI" at the same time we see "security leak in Notepad" and "Windows 11 performance drop after last update" is not a recommendation for AI...

                        So can we tap the sign "when a measure becomes the goal, it stops being a measure" a few more times? One day they'll get it. One day...

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                        • cloudhop@equestria.socialC cloudhop@equestria.social

                          It's either very funny or very depressing to watch executives trip over themselves to prove who has the worst understanding of what software development actually entails.

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                          @cloudhop
                          That is laugh out loud stupid.

                          When I was doing software development full time (financial data processing and analysis), I would sometimes spend a whole day running code and generating and analyzing output only to go in and change a couple symbols on a couple lines to fix corner cases. In that time if you'd handed me Moby Dick and asked me to type it into MS Word I'd have typed 50 or 60 thousand words, around 1/4 of the book.

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                          • cloudhop@equestria.socialC cloudhop@equestria.social

                            It's either very funny or very depressing to watch executives trip over themselves to prove who has the worst understanding of what software development actually entails.

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                            @cloudhop ah yes, nevermind all the tools text editors and IDEs provide to speed up development...

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                            • bangskij@climatejustice.socialB bangskij@climatejustice.social

                              @cloudhop as a composer I am no longer constrained by how fast I can play the piano

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                              @bangskij @cloudhop

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                              • cloudhop@equestria.socialC cloudhop@equestria.social

                                It's either very funny or very depressing to watch executives trip over themselves to prove who has the worst understanding of what software development actually entails.

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                                @cloudhop "Serial Entrepreneur" huh. I'd like to see his NFT portfolio

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                                • cloudhop@equestria.socialC cloudhop@equestria.social

                                  It's either very funny or very depressing to watch executives trip over themselves to prove who has the worst understanding of what software development actually entails.

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                                  @cloudhop The only time software development was ever constrained by typing speed was when we still had to do it over a 1200 modem connection. And guess what? There were ways to work around that.

                                  #idiots

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                                  • fubaroque@mastodon.socialF fubaroque@mastodon.social

                                    @cloudhop The only time software development was ever constrained by typing speed was when we still had to do it over a 1200 modem connection. And guess what? There were ways to work around that.

                                    #idiots

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                                    @cloudhop Actually, the latency was the problem not the speed. 😘

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                                    • cloudhop@equestria.socialC cloudhop@equestria.social

                                      It's either very funny or very depressing to watch executives trip over themselves to prove who has the worst understanding of what software development actually entails.

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                                      @cloudhop hmm, I wonder why windows has all of a sudden released some of its worst patches in history 🤔 🤔

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                                      • jernej__s@infosec.exchangeJ jernej__s@infosec.exchange

                                        @cloudhop 20-30% of AI-generated code in Windows seems to be going really well:
                                        https://www.theverge.com/news/867647/microsoft-windows-11-january-2026-update-bugs-issues
                                        https://www.pcworld.com/article/3060768/windows-11-update-kb5077181-causes-startup-problems-heres-what-you-can-do.html

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                                        @jernej__s @cloudhop I'd be really interested in knowing how the bugs relate to areas with LLM-generated code in.

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                                        • interru@hooves.socialI interru@hooves.social

                                          @cloudhop@equestria.social

                                          Software development is no longer constrained by typing speed, but by how clearly engineers articulate intent.
                                          Writing code directly without AI articulates intent best. So, vibe coding is about articulating vague intent and hoping magic 8-ball fills the gaps im such a way that it covers your use case.

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                                          @interru @cloudhop Once again they don't understand that the purpose of a programming language is to allow unambiguous expression of intent.

                                          But then, that's how ruling classes work. They don't do the hard work and they don't understand the hard work. Which takes more knowledge, growing crops with your own labor, or ordering soldiers to collect the grain at spear-point?

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