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It's either very funny or very depressing to watch executives trip over themselves to prove who has the worst understanding of what software development actually entails.

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  • cloudhop@equestria.socialC cloudhop@equestria.social

    It's either very funny or very depressing to watch executives trip over themselves to prove who has the worst understanding of what software development actually entails.

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    @cloudhop Lol. I know Devs who are 10 times better than I will ever be and can't even blind type. Typing speed 🤦

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    • cloudhop@equestria.socialC cloudhop@equestria.social

      It's either very funny or very depressing to watch executives trip over themselves to prove who has the worst understanding of what software development actually entails.

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      @cloudhop I've heard the claim from my SO that he gets about 12 lines of code in the final product per day. Is that true? If so, it's definitely not typing speed that restricts him since he types waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay faster than me and I type waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay faster than most of my colleagues.

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      • cloudhop@equestria.socialC cloudhop@equestria.social

        It's either very funny or very depressing to watch executives trip over themselves to prove who has the worst understanding of what software development actually entails.

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        @cloudhop Yeah, I remember all my software engineering skills I got from Mavis Beacon.

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        • cloudhop@equestria.socialC cloudhop@equestria.social

          It's either very funny or very depressing to watch executives trip over themselves to prove who has the worst understanding of what software development actually entails.

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          @cloudhop
          I mean it's a pretty accurate understanding of programming measurements as 'lines of code' without ever once considering 'that compiles', and somehow people have used THAT as a metric!

          (which is to say, this is hilariously awful, but they've made a lot of really dumb decisions before now too!)

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          • pare@kamu.socialP pare@kamu.social

            @cloudhop Lines of code has been the main metric in software development for decades. /s

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            @pare @cloudhop probably yes. But OTOH I have never heard of mandatory touch typing training.

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            • cloudhop@equestria.socialC cloudhop@equestria.social

              It's either very funny or very depressing to watch executives trip over themselves to prove who has the worst understanding of what software development actually entails.

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              @cloudhop same with fiction. Authors no longer constrained by typing speed. Take that, Stephen King!

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              • jacel@m.prettyshiny.orgJ jacel@m.prettyshiny.org

                @cloudhop @xgranade Any time I see 'serial entrepreneur' the first thought is 'okay so what happened to all their other ventures'.

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                @jacel @cloudhop @xgranade Chopped up and buried in the basement.

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                • zdl@mstdn.socialZ zdl@mstdn.social

                  @cloudhop I've heard the claim from my SO that he gets about 12 lines of code in the final product per day. Is that true? If so, it's definitely not typing speed that restricts him since he types waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay faster than me and I type waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay faster than most of my colleagues.

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                  @ZDL @cloudhop This is a metric that I’ve heard in different contexts and it bears out in almost every project I’ve contributed to. It’s 10-14 lines of code that eventually make it into the finished product. On average, if programmers write 100 lines per day, 90 of them will be changed eventually.

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                  • cloudhop@equestria.socialC cloudhop@equestria.social

                    It's either very funny or very depressing to watch executives trip over themselves to prove who has the worst understanding of what software development actually entails.

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                    @cloudhop Software development is about as typing constrained as storytelling.

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                    • cloudhop@equestria.socialC cloudhop@equestria.social

                      It's either very funny or very depressing to watch executives trip over themselves to prove who has the worst understanding of what software development actually entails.

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                      @cloudhop seriously... I spent far longer planning and designing a complex embedded system than actually coding it. Typing in the code is the easy part.

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                      • sabrinaweb71@sociale.networkS sabrinaweb71@sociale.network

                        @cloudhop typing speed? I'm speechless, do they even know what they're talking about?

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                        @sabrinaweb71 @cloudhop No, no. They don't know anything. We're not seeing true consciousness here, just an (admittedly surprisingly convincing) example of mimicry.

                        And then there are the LLMs…

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                        • cloudhop@equestria.socialC cloudhop@equestria.social

                          It's either very funny or very depressing to watch executives trip over themselves to prove who has the worst understanding of what software development actually entails.

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                          @cloudhop The number of times in 30+ years my development speed has been constrained by the speed of my fingers: 0.

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                          • cloudhop@equestria.socialC cloudhop@equestria.social

                            It's either very funny or very depressing to watch executives trip over themselves to prove who has the worst understanding of what software development actually entails.

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                            @cloudhop
                            I remember managers at a firm I worked for suggesting that the typists should enter the code to speed things up 😝

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                            • cloudhop@equestria.socialC cloudhop@equestria.social

                              It's either very funny or very depressing to watch executives trip over themselves to prove who has the worst understanding of what software development actually entails.

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                              @cloudhop where did they get the idea that software development was constrained by typing speed? From Zootopia??

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                              • cloudhop@equestria.socialC cloudhop@equestria.social

                                It's either very funny or very depressing to watch executives trip over themselves to prove who has the worst understanding of what software development actually entails.

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                                @cloudhop I find this stuff more fun to read if you replace "AI" with "Steve".

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                                • cloudhop@equestria.socialC cloudhop@equestria.social

                                  It's either very funny or very depressing to watch executives trip over themselves to prove who has the worst understanding of what software development actually entails.

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                                  @cloudhop many people believe that my job as a professional software developer is to literally press keys that enter values into a buffer. I don't mind that the general public has that misconception, but I do wish the people leading software orgs understood that's not the job

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                                  • cloudhop@equestria.socialC cloudhop@equestria.social

                                    It's either very funny or very depressing to watch executives trip over themselves to prove who has the worst understanding of what software development actually entails.

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                                    @cloudhop This dude really wants to tell us that he doesn't code without telling us that he doesn't code.

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                                    • cloudhop@equestria.socialC cloudhop@equestria.social

                                      It's either very funny or very depressing to watch executives trip over themselves to prove who has the worst understanding of what software development actually entails.

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                                      RE: https://equestria.social/@cloudhop/116077882659405785

                                      @cloudhop Equally funny (or depressing) to watch CEOs not seeing how "20-30% Microsoft code now written by AI" at the same time we see "security leak in Notepad" and "Windows 11 performance drop after last update" is not a recommendation for AI...

                                      So can we tap the sign "when a measure becomes the goal, it stops being a measure" a few more times? One day they'll get it. One day...

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                                      • cloudhop@equestria.socialC cloudhop@equestria.social

                                        It's either very funny or very depressing to watch executives trip over themselves to prove who has the worst understanding of what software development actually entails.

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                                        @cloudhop
                                        That is laugh out loud stupid.

                                        When I was doing software development full time (financial data processing and analysis), I would sometimes spend a whole day running code and generating and analyzing output only to go in and change a couple symbols on a couple lines to fix corner cases. In that time if you'd handed me Moby Dick and asked me to type it into MS Word I'd have typed 50 or 60 thousand words, around 1/4 of the book.

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                                        • cloudhop@equestria.socialC cloudhop@equestria.social

                                          It's either very funny or very depressing to watch executives trip over themselves to prove who has the worst understanding of what software development actually entails.

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                                          @cloudhop ah yes, nevermind all the tools text editors and IDEs provide to speed up development...

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