If I was on Artemis I'd spend the 40 minute radio blackout rigging all the clocks, logs, instrumentts etc to show that 6 hours had passed, then refuse to comment on what I'd seen on the far side
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I keep hearing reporters say that "no human eye has seen the far side before."Umm, wait a minute there.
The Apollo program featured TEN (correction: NINE) missions that orbited the Moon. Do these folks seriously mean to say that in all of those lunar missions, the crewmember left in Moon orbit during the mission NEVER ONCE LOOKED OUT THE CSM WINDOW while passing over the far side?
That seems rather unlikely...
@n1xnx NINE, even if you count 13 which didn't orbit the Moon as such though it did pass over the far side, of course.
8, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17.
7 & 9 were both Earth orbit only. 7 testing the CSM in Earth orbit, 9 testing the LM similarly.
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@_thegeoff Three? Will they eat the other one? I know he’s Canadian but that’s a bit much
@davidbcohen Fair point, well made, been playing too much KSP and brain stuck in 3 seat capsule mode!
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@_thegeoff@mastodon.social Yeahbut the way things are going they'd probably just assume it was some sort of Microsoft timezone bug.
@kim @_thegeoff "OMG not another one...patches ready?"
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@n1xnx NINE, even if you count 13 which didn't orbit the Moon as such though it did pass over the far side, of course.
8, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17.
7 & 9 were both Earth orbit only. 7 testing the CSM in Earth orbit, 9 testing the LM similarly.
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@n1xnx *facepalm*
The thing that annoys me the most about this kind of reporting is it shows zero respect for the achievements of the Apollo era.@_thegeoff @n1xnx This Artemis-ii is a totally sexed up dress rehearsal for a remake of the Apollo landing. I mean sure, impressive, but doing this 50/60 years ago was far far more impressive. And no they're not going around the moon to "take images of the far side". You don't need humans for that. This trip is a systems test, that includes funding & public acceptance, risk assessments, radiation hardness, MS outlook, and the bathroom.
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@_thegeoff @n1xnx This Artemis-ii is a totally sexed up dress rehearsal for a remake of the Apollo landing. I mean sure, impressive, but doing this 50/60 years ago was far far more impressive. And no they're not going around the moon to "take images of the far side". You don't need humans for that. This trip is a systems test, that includes funding & public acceptance, risk assessments, radiation hardness, MS outlook, and the bathroom.
@clusterfcku @n1xnx Ha! Both amusing, and 100% correct!
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@clusterfcku @n1xnx Ha! Both amusing, and 100% correct!
@_thegeoff @clusterfcku
I feel the need to make a snarky reference to "the wisdom of the ancients" here, where "the ancients" means "the original Apollo project organization."What a sorry lot we are if we cannot manage a repeat performance, with all the improved tech we've managed in the meantime.
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@_thegeoff @clusterfcku
I feel the need to make a snarky reference to "the wisdom of the ancients" here, where "the ancients" means "the original Apollo project organization."What a sorry lot we are if we cannot manage a repeat performance, with all the improved tech we've managed in the meantime.
@n1xnx @clusterfcku The other thing to take into account is the Cold War, Apollo was effectively a military and propaganda exercise, and deaths were more politically tolerable. Today's missions are far, far more risk averse (and probably for the better, in the long term).
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@n1xnx @clusterfcku The other thing to take into account is the Cold War, Apollo was effectively a military and propaganda exercise, and deaths were more politically tolerable. Today's missions are far, far more risk averse (and probably for the better, in the long term).
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Agreed.
One more reason to accept a slower, more expensive program that doesn't kill astronauts along the way. (It's not *all* inefficiency and exploitation by contractors.) -
If I was on Artemis I'd spend the 40 minute radio blackout rigging all the clocks, logs, instrumentts etc to show that 6 hours had passed, then refuse to comment on what I'd seen on the far side.
This is probably why I'm not allowed on the Artemis.@_thegeoff If I were on Artemis I'd keep reminding everyone how Apollo 8 got there faster, quietly, and AI-free. Naturally I'd get shot through the airlock soon enough.
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If I was on Artemis I'd spend the 40 minute radio blackout rigging all the clocks, logs, instrumentts etc to show that 6 hours had passed, then refuse to comment on what I'd seen on the far side.
This is probably why I'm not allowed on the Artemis.@_thegeoff everybody knows moon's haunted
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@_thegeoff everybody knows moon's haunted
@moira What?
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@moira What?
@_thegeoff The moon. It's haunted.
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@_thegeoff The moon. It's haunted.
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@_thegeoff Reminds me of Collins' suggestion that Armstrong should step on the moon, exclaim "What the hell is this thing" and cut the mic. So you're in good company
@Quantensalat @_thegeoff Arthur C. Clarke once said he was a little disappointed that the first lunar mission astronauts discussed reporting a black monolith on the surface of the moon but decided not to.
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@Branwen74 @davidbcohen @_thegeoff Oh, by the way, which one’s Pink?
@Meyerweb @Branwen74 @davidbcohen @_thegeoff The one going easy on the freshmen.
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@Meyerweb @Branwen74 @davidbcohen @_thegeoff The one going easy on the freshmen.
@_thegeoff @Branwen74 @drwho @davidbcohen Oh, I really hope that’s not a sex euphemism.
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@edavies @_thegeoff
Yeah, I was inadvertently counting the first orbital lander test in my quick tally. That one was Earth orbit...@n1xnx
With LOS on the backside, it raises the question whether the DSN is correctly named; more like Slightly-Deep-Space-Network AMIRIGHT?Long term we may need TDRS-Lunar units in orbit around Luna — polar orbit constellation, with relay all around? possibly several on highly elliptical orbits slantwise so that one is always seeing backside orbits and earth, and another could see low power transmitters on front side ground ?
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With LOS on the backside, it raises the question whether the DSN is correctly named; more like Slightly-Deep-Space-Network AMIRIGHT?Long term we may need TDRS-Lunar units in orbit around Luna — polar orbit constellation, with relay all around? possibly several on highly elliptical orbits slantwise so that one is always seeing backside orbits and earth, and another could see low power transmitters on front side ground ?
@BRicker
Finally, a good use for those pest-begotten Starlink sats.Jokes aside, yes, we definitely need such a network.
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@_thegeoff
I keep hearing reporters say that "no human eye has seen the far side before."Umm, wait a minute there.
The Apollo program featured TEN (correction: NINE) missions that orbited the Moon. Do these folks seriously mean to say that in all of those lunar missions, the crewmember left in Moon orbit during the mission NEVER ONCE LOOKED OUT THE CSM WINDOW while passing over the far side?
That seems rather unlikely...
TBQF, this mission is going at a different phase of the moon (which is to say from lunar point of view different solar season) and going around _much_ higher, so *yes* they will see things Apollo didn't see.
This mission _will_ see most of the poles which have only been seen with cameras.
(Apollo landings occurred with moon around quarter phase to have a low sun providing contrast to the relief, both for pilot and to recognize waypoints when hiking.)
