Can't wait to use and promote illegal operating systems that do not verify age.
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@Doomed_Daniel @WTL @catsalad Yes. We are furiously agreeing. However I suspect electrolytics drying out will kill most commodity devices before the chips completely die.
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@Doomed_Daniel @WTL @catsalad IFF you can get the capacitors yes. I have a hot air rework station.
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Can't wait to use and promote illegal operating systems that do not verify age.
@catsalad "You wanna use TOPS-10, kid? You're not old enough!"
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Can't wait to use and promote illegal operating systems that do not verify age.
@catsalad Why call it illegal? What laws do you have in your country? Why don't you oppose it? The comment is just so -
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Can't wait to use and promote illegal operating systems that do not verify age.
Please keep us posted @catsalad!
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@catsalad Why call it illegal? What laws do you have in your country? Why don't you oppose it? The comment is just so -
@edtmwed "why don't you oppose it" lol. lmao. i don't know what democratic utopia you come from, but here in the united states the lawmakers don't listen to us
"why call it illegal" take a wild guess
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Can't wait to use and promote illegal operating systems that do not verify age.
@catsalad funny enough I think the laws mandating all of this might be illegal.
Bernstein v. United States determined that writing software is an expressive act and protected by the first amendment.
We generally say the government can't coerce speech - can't make kids say the pledge of allegiance, for example.
Punishing a volunteer software dev for not writing age verification code? Sure sounds like coerced speech to me!
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@catsalad funny enough I think the laws mandating all of this might be illegal.
Bernstein v. United States determined that writing software is an expressive act and protected by the first amendment.
We generally say the government can't coerce speech - can't make kids say the pledge of allegiance, for example.
Punishing a volunteer software dev for not writing age verification code? Sure sounds like coerced speech to me!
@catsalad what's bananas to me is there's a way to do this totally legally. Make it incentive-based instead of punitive.
Create some criteria to certify an operating system as California Family-Friendly. Say the state will only buy such operating systems.
Apple, Microsoft, and Google would absolutely do it and get certified. But the open source stuff could continue not giving a shit.
Not the most ideal - still a privacy issue but at least it's not mandated, we'd have a choice to opt out.
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I've got an alternative idea if this madness actually goes through and we can't find a solution to circumvent it legally or not....
Instead of just running, let's turn every single phone into a weapon of digital disobedience.Imagine if an 'outlaw' OS (or a simple mod) automatically appended a 'bag of forbidden words' to every message, hidden in metadata or invisible text, containing a random mix of terms guaranteed to trigger the system.
If millions of people sent billions of these 'poisoned' messages, Chat Control would collapse under the sheer weight of false positives. It would be the biggest DDoS attack in history, powered purely by civil disobedience......If everything is suspicious, nothing is.
#DDoS #FalsePositives #DataPoisoning #ChatContol #AgeVerification #AgeCheck
@anon_4601 @catsalad this has happened before. People found out about the CARNIVORE program and people started using scripts to append random triggering phrases to their emails.
The secret service just started going hard against randos and everybody cut it out real quick.
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Can't wait to use and promote illegal operating systems that do not verify age.
@catsalad we live in an unpublished draft of a Cory Doctorow novel that he shelved for being too stupid.
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@anon_4601 @catsalad this has happened before. People found out about the CARNIVORE program and people started using scripts to append random triggering phrases to their emails.
The secret service just started going hard against randos and everybody cut it out real quick.
Exactly. That’s why it needs to spread like a 'virus', not a script users run.
Plausible deniability is key.....There are plenty of furious engineers right now. With Google forcing mandatory developer verification and closing AOSP, many open-source devs feel cornered. They are the perfect candidates to slip a tiny 'extra function' into their unsuspecting apps....
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@GerardThornley @Amorpheus @serapath @catsalad for actually useful desktop computing, it still comes down to getting wafers fabbed. not too many advanced fabs around the world these days. Taiwan, South Korea, US, france, probably a few others.
@tubetime @GerardThornley @Amorpheus @catsalad
nobody said it was easy.
the first published linux version 0.01 was published in 1991.
Would anyone believe where this could go decades later? no!did anyone imagine open source 3D printers and a network of private ppl offering 3d printing services would ever be a thing?
etsy even offers 3d printing services.
It just needs a start.
There are projects like the https://mntre.com/ and a lot of open tech exists to further grow an ecosystem
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@serapath @catsalad I agree with you that the future will be what we decide it to be.
But FOSS is one thing. Chip and PCB design and production is another league, that we as a free and independent intellectual community cannot achieve that easily.
We can only create a market niche by supporting it where we can, hoping that some company will follow our call. But even then those companies will have to comply with national regulations.
national regulations
you mean regulatjons made by the epstein class?
its hard to regulate an open source bazaar where private ppl offer their printing services.
what are you exactly afraid of?
why wouldnt platforms like etsy or more open alternatives exist in the future? -
@GerardThornley @Amorpheus @serapath @catsalad for actually useful desktop computing, it still comes down to getting wafers fabbed. not too many advanced fabs around the world these days. Taiwan, South Korea, US, france, probably a few others.
@tubetime @Amorpheus @serapath @catsalad
yeah, I was kidding! I know we aren't going to knock up a PCB-based, GHz-speed, super-scalar, super-pipelined CPU in our sheds. (And the power consumption of you could! 
)Now that I am thinking about it, though, I wonder what actually would be achievable for an enthusiastic amateur with means? For instance, would it be plausible for them to make an actual 6502 chip? At what point in the history of silicon manufacturing did cost and complexity make it utterly unachievable outside of the existing players in the industry?
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@GerardThornley @catsalad Right. I forgot. Can't have that "back in my day..." crap
And to think most of em still run the world today, like that stupid orange man.
@reallylazybear @catsalad aye. I heard something recently pointing out that the current shift rightwards in Western politics was really predictable - a combination of the bulge in the demographic as the boomer generation pass through their retirement years, coupled with the long-observed tendency of people to become more conservative as they get older.
I also heard that we're passing the peak in that bulge at the moment, so as long as no idiots cause another huge generational ripple in the demographics, things might start to get a bit more balanced again. -
@tubetime @Amorpheus @serapath @catsalad
yeah, I was kidding! I know we aren't going to knock up a PCB-based, GHz-speed, super-scalar, super-pipelined CPU in our sheds. (And the power consumption of you could! )Now that I am thinking about it, though, I wonder what actually would be achievable for an enthusiastic amateur with means? For instance, would it be plausible for them to make an actual 6502 chip? At what point in the history of silicon manufacturing did cost and complexity make it utterly unachievable outside of the existing players in the industry?
@GerardThornley @tubetime @Amorpheus @catsalad
i do think in a fediverse world and beyond that peer to peer world, where people leave big tech and embrace self custody, may it be through self hosting (if ppl got the skills) or through embracing peer to peer apps where their identity is represented by a "seed phrase" that represents thei cryptographic keypair, which they write down and store away safely.
...hardware you can trust in is vital, even if it is slow, so ppl will buy open hardware
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Can't wait to use and promote illegal operating systems that do not verify age.
@catsalad
We should start a movement that does that. We'd need a catchy name, though.
Open Sauce or something like it. We should workshop that -
@catsalad @ramonfincken Reading through this concept, I’d like to remind everybody that constantly polling a big wide honking bracket can be used to pinpoint exact details. Replying “under 13” every day until today (you now reply “13-16”) means today is your 13th birthday. There is zero point in adding brackets when services can already determine your exact age using this method.
California needs to stop writing hopes & prayers and start writing laws which include expert guidance.
@ClickyMcTicker
At least they're not getting it straight away. Makes it harder for them.
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@catsalad @ramonfincken Reading through this concept, I’d like to remind everybody that constantly polling a big wide honking bracket can be used to pinpoint exact details. Replying “under 13” every day until today (you now reply “13-16”) means today is your 13th birthday. There is zero point in adding brackets when services can already determine your exact age using this method.
California needs to stop writing hopes & prayers and start writing laws which include expert guidance.
@ClickyMcTicker @catsalad @ramonfincken that's why I have not already lied about my kids ages and set them up multiple accounts on web services they're not old enough to use yet.
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Can't wait to use and promote illegal operating systems that do not verify age.
They'll be able to tell your age by the fact that you care about this issue.
