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Can't wait to use and promote illegal operating systems that do not verify age.

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  • doomed_daniel@mastodon.gamedev.placeD doomed_daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place

    @WTL @Dianora @catsalad
    good thing that modern hardware has a reputation of longevity

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    dianora@ottawa.place
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    @Doomed_Daniel @WTL @catsalad ROHS.

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    • catsalad@infosec.exchangeC catsalad@infosec.exchange

      Can't wait to use and promote illegal operating systems that do not verify age.

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      dandylover1@someplace.social
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      @catsalad Let's just hope they have built-in screen readers that can easily be turned on, or they'll be just like most, completely inaccessible.

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      • dianora@ottawa.placeD dianora@ottawa.place

        @Doomed_Daniel @WTL @catsalad ROHS.

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        @Dianora @WTL @catsalad
        I was more thinking about chips degrading relatively fast because of nanometer semiconductor scale and massive complexity, but that's probably a factor as well

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        • catsalad@infosec.exchangeC catsalad@infosec.exchange

          Can't wait to use and promote illegal operating systems that do not verify age.

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          anon_4601@nerdculture.de
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          @catsalad

          I've got an alternative idea if this madness actually goes through and we can't find a solution to circumvent it legally or not....

          Instead of just running, let's turn every single phone into a weapon of digital disobedience.Imagine if an 'outlaw' OS (or a simple mod) automatically appended a 'bag of forbidden words' to every message, hidden in metadata or invisible text, containing a random mix of terms guaranteed to trigger the system.
          If millions of people sent billions of these 'poisoned' messages, Chat Control would collapse under the sheer weight of false positives. It would be the biggest DDoS attack in history, powered purely by civil disobedience......

          If everything is suspicious, nothing is.

          #DDoS #FalsePositives #DataPoisoning #ChatContol #AgeVerification #AgeCheck

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          • doomed_daniel@mastodon.gamedev.placeD doomed_daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place

            @Dianora @WTL @catsalad
            I was more thinking about chips degrading relatively fast because of nanometer semiconductor scale and massive complexity, but that's probably a factor as well

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            @Doomed_Daniel @WTL @catsalad Ah yes. Cosmic rays could certainly degrade chips on earth given enough time. Hardened ICs are not typical for earth use ether. Older chips would be more resistant e.g. the COSMAC 1802 was rad hardened without trying. Cosmic rays do cause memory errors more easily as well as very few use ECC memory.

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            • dianora@ottawa.placeD dianora@ottawa.place

              @Doomed_Daniel @WTL @catsalad Ah yes. Cosmic rays could certainly degrade chips on earth given enough time. Hardened ICs are not typical for earth use ether. Older chips would be more resistant e.g. the COSMAC 1802 was rad hardened without trying. Cosmic rays do cause memory errors more easily as well as very few use ECC memory.

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              @Dianora @WTL @catsalad
              It's not just cosmic rays but just degradation by use which happens faster now, or bugs in hardware (due to complexity) killing it, or a combination, see Intel CPUs one or two generations ago.
              But I've seen (DDR4) RAM kits dying after just a few years of use and I'm not too optimistic that ECC would help too much beyond detecting the errors.

              I'm just not too optimistic that today's hardware still works fine in 20 years...

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              • doomed_daniel@mastodon.gamedev.placeD doomed_daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place

                @Dianora @WTL @catsalad
                It's not just cosmic rays but just degradation by use which happens faster now, or bugs in hardware (due to complexity) killing it, or a combination, see Intel CPUs one or two generations ago.
                But I've seen (DDR4) RAM kits dying after just a few years of use and I'm not too optimistic that ECC would help too much beyond detecting the errors.

                I'm just not too optimistic that today's hardware still works fine in 20 years...

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                @Dianora @WTL @catsalad
                would be awesome though, the current state of the art is pretty good and by writing better optimized software we could get even much more out of it

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                • doomed_daniel@mastodon.gamedev.placeD doomed_daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place

                  @Dianora @WTL @catsalad
                  It's not just cosmic rays but just degradation by use which happens faster now, or bugs in hardware (due to complexity) killing it, or a combination, see Intel CPUs one or two generations ago.
                  But I've seen (DDR4) RAM kits dying after just a few years of use and I'm not too optimistic that ECC would help too much beyond detecting the errors.

                  I'm just not too optimistic that today's hardware still works fine in 20 years...

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                  dianora@ottawa.place
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                  @Doomed_Daniel @WTL @catsalad Yes. We are furiously agreeing. However I suspect electrolytics drying out will kill most commodity devices before the chips completely die.

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                  • doomed_daniel@mastodon.gamedev.placeD doomed_daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place

                    @Dianora @WTL @catsalad
                    would be awesome though, the current state of the art is pretty good and by writing better optimized software we could get even much more out of it

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                    dianora@ottawa.place
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                    @Doomed_Daniel @WTL @catsalad As you would know there are open source initiatives for hardware (including CPUs) as well. I'd be fine with a slower computer that was more robust. Hell I've programmed PDP-8s. 😉

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                    • dianora@ottawa.placeD dianora@ottawa.place

                      @Doomed_Daniel @WTL @catsalad Yes. We are furiously agreeing. However I suspect electrolytics drying out will kill most commodity devices before the chips completely die.

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                      @Dianora @WTL @catsalad
                      yeah but that has always been a problem and AFAIK is usually fixable with not too advanced soldering equipment?

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                      • doomed_daniel@mastodon.gamedev.placeD doomed_daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place

                        @Dianora @WTL @catsalad
                        yeah but that has always been a problem and AFAIK is usually fixable with not too advanced soldering equipment?

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                        dianora@ottawa.place
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                        @Doomed_Daniel @WTL @catsalad IFF you can get the capacitors yes. I have a hot air rework station.

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                        • catsalad@infosec.exchangeC catsalad@infosec.exchange

                          Can't wait to use and promote illegal operating systems that do not verify age.

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                          lambdacalculus@masto.hackers.town
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                          @catsalad "You wanna use TOPS-10, kid? You're not old enough!"

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                          • catsalad@infosec.exchangeC catsalad@infosec.exchange

                            Can't wait to use and promote illegal operating systems that do not verify age.

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                            edtmwed@social.vivaldi.net
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                            @catsalad Why call it illegal? What laws do you have in your country? Why don't you oppose it? The comment is just so -

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                            • catsalad@infosec.exchangeC catsalad@infosec.exchange

                              Can't wait to use and promote illegal operating systems that do not verify age.

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                              Please keep us posted @catsalad!

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                              • E edtmwed@social.vivaldi.net

                                @catsalad Why call it illegal? What laws do you have in your country? Why don't you oppose it? The comment is just so -

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                                @edtmwed "why don't you oppose it" lol. lmao. i don't know what democratic utopia you come from, but here in the united states the lawmakers don't listen to us

                                "why call it illegal" take a wild guess

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                                • catsalad@infosec.exchangeC catsalad@infosec.exchange

                                  Can't wait to use and promote illegal operating systems that do not verify age.

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                                  @catsalad funny enough I think the laws mandating all of this might be illegal.

                                  Bernstein v. United States determined that writing software is an expressive act and protected by the first amendment.

                                  We generally say the government can't coerce speech - can't make kids say the pledge of allegiance, for example.

                                  Punishing a volunteer software dev for not writing age verification code? Sure sounds like coerced speech to me!

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                                  • jprjr@mastodon.socialJ jprjr@mastodon.social

                                    @catsalad funny enough I think the laws mandating all of this might be illegal.

                                    Bernstein v. United States determined that writing software is an expressive act and protected by the first amendment.

                                    We generally say the government can't coerce speech - can't make kids say the pledge of allegiance, for example.

                                    Punishing a volunteer software dev for not writing age verification code? Sure sounds like coerced speech to me!

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                                    @catsalad what's bananas to me is there's a way to do this totally legally. Make it incentive-based instead of punitive.

                                    Create some criteria to certify an operating system as California Family-Friendly. Say the state will only buy such operating systems.

                                    Apple, Microsoft, and Google would absolutely do it and get certified. But the open source stuff could continue not giving a shit.

                                    Not the most ideal - still a privacy issue but at least it's not mandated, we'd have a choice to opt out.

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                                    • A anon_4601@nerdculture.de

                                      @catsalad

                                      I've got an alternative idea if this madness actually goes through and we can't find a solution to circumvent it legally or not....

                                      Instead of just running, let's turn every single phone into a weapon of digital disobedience.Imagine if an 'outlaw' OS (or a simple mod) automatically appended a 'bag of forbidden words' to every message, hidden in metadata or invisible text, containing a random mix of terms guaranteed to trigger the system.
                                      If millions of people sent billions of these 'poisoned' messages, Chat Control would collapse under the sheer weight of false positives. It would be the biggest DDoS attack in history, powered purely by civil disobedience......

                                      If everything is suspicious, nothing is.

                                      #DDoS #FalsePositives #DataPoisoning #ChatContol #AgeVerification #AgeCheck

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                                      rgegriff@masto.hackers.town
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                                      @anon_4601 @catsalad this has happened before. People found out about the CARNIVORE program and people started using scripts to append random triggering phrases to their emails.

                                      The secret service just started going hard against randos and everybody cut it out real quick.

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                                      • catsalad@infosec.exchangeC catsalad@infosec.exchange

                                        Can't wait to use and promote illegal operating systems that do not verify age.

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                                        @catsalad we live in an unpublished draft of a Cory Doctorow novel that he shelved for being too stupid.

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                                        • rgegriff@masto.hackers.townR rgegriff@masto.hackers.town

                                          @anon_4601 @catsalad this has happened before. People found out about the CARNIVORE program and people started using scripts to append random triggering phrases to their emails.

                                          The secret service just started going hard against randos and everybody cut it out real quick.

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                                          anon_4601@nerdculture.de
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                                          @rgegriff @catsalad

                                          Exactly. That’s why it needs to spread like a 'virus', not a script users run.
                                          Plausible deniability is key.....

                                          There are plenty of furious engineers right now. With Google forcing mandatory developer verification and closing AOSP, many open-source devs feel cornered. They are the perfect candidates to slip a tiny 'extra function' into their unsuspecting apps....

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