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*Edit*: here at least, I am clearly not isolated!

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  • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

    *Edit*: here at least, I am clearly not isolated!

    Perhaps I am increasingly isolated in holding this position, but I have no interest in reading "AI"-generated slop.

    I love reading.

    I read people's blogs and toots and whatever *because people wrote them* and I want to read their own thoughts and opinions.

    I buy books, and read numerous different authors. I like finding new authors, bringing new ideas, styles etc.

    Same with "AI" images. I'd prefer no image at all.

    bstacey@icosahedron.websiteB This user is from outside of this forum
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    @neil I also continue to hold this position.

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    • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

      *Edit*: here at least, I am clearly not isolated!

      Perhaps I am increasingly isolated in holding this position, but I have no interest in reading "AI"-generated slop.

      I love reading.

      I read people's blogs and toots and whatever *because people wrote them* and I want to read their own thoughts and opinions.

      I buy books, and read numerous different authors. I like finding new authors, bringing new ideas, styles etc.

      Same with "AI" images. I'd prefer no image at all.

      signaleleven@social.tchncs.deS This user is from outside of this forum
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      #8

      @neil please. Isolated? Nobody wants to read slop. Not even people who like AI for some specific application.
      What prompted this lukewarm take? 🙂

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      • theplaguedoc@glitterkitten.co.ukT theplaguedoc@glitterkitten.co.uk

        @neil Definitely not alone on this.

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        #9

        @neil (and I'll take any author recommendations you might care to share)

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        • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

          *Edit*: here at least, I am clearly not isolated!

          Perhaps I am increasingly isolated in holding this position, but I have no interest in reading "AI"-generated slop.

          I love reading.

          I read people's blogs and toots and whatever *because people wrote them* and I want to read their own thoughts and opinions.

          I buy books, and read numerous different authors. I like finding new authors, bringing new ideas, styles etc.

          Same with "AI" images. I'd prefer no image at all.

          frazzledbrynn@glitterkitten.co.ukF This user is from outside of this forum
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          #10

          @neil What I found really depressingly interesting is that I find it really fatiguing, and I already suffer from a huge amount of fatigue. All the dodging AI, my brain-fogged head working harder to filter things out, the heart sink as I get tricked and only later realise something was off.

          Like recipes! Following along on my phone whilst already overwhelmed by what I'm doing, and then finding out mid-way through following a recipe that, hang on a sec, this is AI nonsense.

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            @stroobl

            No! 🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻

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            • signaleleven@social.tchncs.deS signaleleven@social.tchncs.de

              @neil please. Isolated? Nobody wants to read slop. Not even people who like AI for some specific application.
              What prompted this lukewarm take? 🙂

              neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN This user is from outside of this forum
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              @signaleleven

              Someone was posting here about preferring "AI news" because they said that it was unbiased.

              Someone posted an AI-generated "summary" of something.

              More websites are using AI-generated images.

              Do you not see this kind of thing?

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              • frazzledbrynn@glitterkitten.co.ukF frazzledbrynn@glitterkitten.co.uk

                @neil What I found really depressingly interesting is that I find it really fatiguing, and I already suffer from a huge amount of fatigue. All the dodging AI, my brain-fogged head working harder to filter things out, the heart sink as I get tricked and only later realise something was off.

                Like recipes! Following along on my phone whilst already overwhelmed by what I'm doing, and then finding out mid-way through following a recipe that, hang on a sec, this is AI nonsense.

                neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN This user is from outside of this forum
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                #13

                @FrazzledBrynn AI-generated "recipes" are indeed one of the only ways that most recipe sites could be made worse!

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                • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                  *Edit*: here at least, I am clearly not isolated!

                  Perhaps I am increasingly isolated in holding this position, but I have no interest in reading "AI"-generated slop.

                  I love reading.

                  I read people's blogs and toots and whatever *because people wrote them* and I want to read their own thoughts and opinions.

                  I buy books, and read numerous different authors. I like finding new authors, bringing new ideas, styles etc.

                  Same with "AI" images. I'd prefer no image at all.

                  wobweger@mstdn.socialW This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #14

                  @neil 🧡
                  you are not alone
                  you're not isolated
                  your are in fact well connected to the human condition, having resisted years long propaganda on almost all channels
                  #salami slop is no good
                  🖖

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                  • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                    *Edit*: here at least, I am clearly not isolated!

                    Perhaps I am increasingly isolated in holding this position, but I have no interest in reading "AI"-generated slop.

                    I love reading.

                    I read people's blogs and toots and whatever *because people wrote them* and I want to read their own thoughts and opinions.

                    I buy books, and read numerous different authors. I like finding new authors, bringing new ideas, styles etc.

                    Same with "AI" images. I'd prefer no image at all.

                    ahnlak@kavlak.ukA This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @neil I find AI images a really strong flag that I'm not going to want to read an article.

                    I suspect at least part of the problem is that "experts" will tell you that a web page *has* to have an image to represent it (because that's what algorithms want), and people are panicked into finding *something* to fill that void.

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                    • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN This user is from outside of this forum
                      neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #16

                      @stroobl I'd prefer documentation written by a human?

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                      • frazzledbrynn@glitterkitten.co.ukF frazzledbrynn@glitterkitten.co.uk

                        @neil What I found really depressingly interesting is that I find it really fatiguing, and I already suffer from a huge amount of fatigue. All the dodging AI, my brain-fogged head working harder to filter things out, the heart sink as I get tricked and only later realise something was off.

                        Like recipes! Following along on my phone whilst already overwhelmed by what I'm doing, and then finding out mid-way through following a recipe that, hang on a sec, this is AI nonsense.

                        bstacey@icosahedron.websiteB This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #17

                        @FrazzledBrynn @neil Ah, damn, that's gotta suck.

                        I like to cook, but I don't even try looking up recipes online any more, unless they're verifiably from the pre-slop era. Fortunately, we have a shelf of cookbooks and I've gotten pretty good at winging things for a weeknight dinner.

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                        • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                          *Edit*: here at least, I am clearly not isolated!

                          Perhaps I am increasingly isolated in holding this position, but I have no interest in reading "AI"-generated slop.

                          I love reading.

                          I read people's blogs and toots and whatever *because people wrote them* and I want to read their own thoughts and opinions.

                          I buy books, and read numerous different authors. I like finding new authors, bringing new ideas, styles etc.

                          Same with "AI" images. I'd prefer no image at all.

                          rubyjones@wandering.shopR This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #18

                          @neil Most writers and artists I know think the same, but the gap between those people and those who consume art and fiction - especially among programmers - is really depressing.

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                          • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                            *Edit*: here at least, I am clearly not isolated!

                            Perhaps I am increasingly isolated in holding this position, but I have no interest in reading "AI"-generated slop.

                            I love reading.

                            I read people's blogs and toots and whatever *because people wrote them* and I want to read their own thoughts and opinions.

                            I buy books, and read numerous different authors. I like finding new authors, bringing new ideas, styles etc.

                            Same with "AI" images. I'd prefer no image at all.

                            wurzelmann@mastodon.wurzelmann.atW This user is from outside of this forum
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                            @neil I'm with you on that hill. ✊

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                            • rubyjones@wandering.shopR rubyjones@wandering.shop

                              @neil Most writers and artists I know think the same, but the gap between those people and those who consume art and fiction - especially among programmers - is really depressing.

                              neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN This user is from outside of this forum
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                              @rubyjones On the consumption side, I am absolutely in a fortunate position that I can afford to pay, and see value in paying, for books, to support authors, and so on (although I suppose that I see blogs as free-to-read). Perhaps there's a circle there.

                              Slop has no value to me, so I would not knowingly pay for it.

                              But perhaps someone who doesn't value creativity or human expression would not willingly pay for it anyway, so slop is attractive enough?

                              (Sorry, pondering aloud here.)

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                              • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                                @signaleleven

                                Someone was posting here about preferring "AI news" because they said that it was unbiased.

                                Someone posted an AI-generated "summary" of something.

                                More websites are using AI-generated images.

                                Do you not see this kind of thing?

                                odd@mstdn.socialO This user is from outside of this forum
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                                @neil I haven't seen such posts here at all. Tbh it sounds like a troll because AI generated content is anything but unbiased. And in my experience, people around here are well aware of this.

                                That said, at work and around the internet at large I see more and more people using AI. Some because they believe in the technology, others because they feel its the normal thing to do now.

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                                • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                                  *Edit*: here at least, I am clearly not isolated!

                                  Perhaps I am increasingly isolated in holding this position, but I have no interest in reading "AI"-generated slop.

                                  I love reading.

                                  I read people's blogs and toots and whatever *because people wrote them* and I want to read their own thoughts and opinions.

                                  I buy books, and read numerous different authors. I like finding new authors, bringing new ideas, styles etc.

                                  Same with "AI" images. I'd prefer no image at all.

                                  futureisfoss@fosstodon.orgF This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  @neil That is not an unpopular opinion, not at all.

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                                  • ahnlak@kavlak.ukA ahnlak@kavlak.uk

                                    @neil I find AI images a really strong flag that I'm not going to want to read an article.

                                    I suspect at least part of the problem is that "experts" will tell you that a web page *has* to have an image to represent it (because that's what algorithms want), and people are panicked into finding *something* to fill that void.

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                                    @ahnlak @neil The thing is... Pixabay exists! I used it all the time when I worked in Marketing. I think you can spend a lot more time messing around trying to get your 'prompt' to give you what you want than you would just going to Pixabay and finding a public domain image.

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                                    • ahnlak@kavlak.ukA ahnlak@kavlak.uk

                                      @neil I find AI images a really strong flag that I'm not going to want to read an article.

                                      I suspect at least part of the problem is that "experts" will tell you that a web page *has* to have an image to represent it (because that's what algorithms want), and people are panicked into finding *something* to fill that void.

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                                      @ahnlak @neil Which is kind of funny because even before AI I found it so tailored towards some sort of ranking that it can end up looking a bit shady like sites that look borderline SEO-farming.
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                                      • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                                        *Edit*: here at least, I am clearly not isolated!

                                        Perhaps I am increasingly isolated in holding this position, but I have no interest in reading "AI"-generated slop.

                                        I love reading.

                                        I read people's blogs and toots and whatever *because people wrote them* and I want to read their own thoughts and opinions.

                                        I buy books, and read numerous different authors. I like finding new authors, bringing new ideas, styles etc.

                                        Same with "AI" images. I'd prefer no image at all.

                                        anderelampe@chaos.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        #25

                                        @neil yes, you are not alone. 100%.

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                                        • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                                          @rubyjones On the consumption side, I am absolutely in a fortunate position that I can afford to pay, and see value in paying, for books, to support authors, and so on (although I suppose that I see blogs as free-to-read). Perhaps there's a circle there.

                                          Slop has no value to me, so I would not knowingly pay for it.

                                          But perhaps someone who doesn't value creativity or human expression would not willingly pay for it anyway, so slop is attractive enough?

                                          (Sorry, pondering aloud here.)

                                          rubyjones@wandering.shopR This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          @neil The thing is, there is more free fiction and art online than a person could ever need. I've actually found it hard to pull myself away from the safe, comforting arms of fanfiction, which gives me exactly what I want, for free, but I get frustrated that I can't pay the authors for their often spectacular works.

                                          I agree with you - writing and art are communication - there's no point if there's no one on the other side communicating anything. And the fact that it's all stolen>

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