so, should I become a BSD weirdo?
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@technomancy alpine linux uses openrc, though I haven't found any kind of llm statement either pro or anti on their site
@dan @technomancy i think they're anti-llm, or at least a core contributor (ariadne) is for sure. and openrc is anti-llm for sure.
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so, should I become a BSD weirdo?
Michael W Lucas :flan_on_fire: (@mwl@io.mwl.io)
@owen@mastodon.transneptune.net @mhoye@cosocial.ca the three main BSD projects have all rejected LLM for code
Sufficiently Amusing Author (io.mwl.io)
@technomancy Time for guix! Parenthesis all the way down!
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@technomancy Time for guix! Parenthesis all the way down!
@orva I expect they are more likely than most to do a good job with this, but I can't find any explicit policy around this; do you know if their stance has been published anywhere? I'd like more to go on than just a good feeling
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@orva I expect they are more likely than most to do a good job with this, but I can't find any explicit policy around this; do you know if their stance has been published anywhere? I'd like more to go on than just a good feeling
@technomancy Same feelings/knowledge as well, no explicit denouncement even though I know there is strong anti-llm sentiment.
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@kim as excited as I was about that post I linked to, I should have done a little more due diligence before posting it
looking more closely for citations, I can't find anything concrete re: LLM policy from either freebsd or openbsd; netbsd appears to be the only one with an actual published stance! so good for them
unfortunately there is no librewolf or fennel packaged for netbsd =(
@technomancy well if i end up trying it out and package librewolf i'll let you know :p. i already packaged it for Void!
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@technomancy well if i end up trying it out and package librewolf i'll let you know :p. i already packaged it for Void!
@kim not all heroes
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so, should I become a BSD weirdo?
Michael W Lucas :flan_on_fire: (@mwl@io.mwl.io)
@owen@mastodon.transneptune.net @mhoye@cosocial.ca the three main BSD projects have all rejected LLM for code
Sufficiently Amusing Author (io.mwl.io)
openbsd: yes
netbsd: sure
freebsd: hmm
dragonflybsd: maybe
ghostbsd: no
speaking as a looooong time freebsd partisan, they've been making some weird decisions lately and are currently undergoing a colonization attempt by reactionary nutjobs
still beats the shit out of linux though. you have to be turbo-selective to get a laptop that works with any of the three big BSDs -- lots of them (even dell and thinkpad "enterprise" stuff) still have fucked-up DSDTs or firmware bugs that make trouble. for many years I've done BSD on servers and desktops, but the mnt reform doesn't run BSD so that's still Alpine
for now.
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openbsd: yes
netbsd: sure
freebsd: hmm
dragonflybsd: maybe
ghostbsd: no
speaking as a looooong time freebsd partisan, they've been making some weird decisions lately and are currently undergoing a colonization attempt by reactionary nutjobs
still beats the shit out of linux though. you have to be turbo-selective to get a laptop that works with any of the three big BSDs -- lots of them (even dell and thinkpad "enterprise" stuff) still have fucked-up DSDTs or firmware bugs that make trouble. for many years I've done BSD on servers and desktops, but the mnt reform doesn't run BSD so that's still Alpine
for now.@khm @technomancy
is this an mnt reform with the rk3588?I am hoping that it will run openbsd soonish
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openbsd: yes
netbsd: sure
freebsd: hmm
dragonflybsd: maybe
ghostbsd: no
speaking as a looooong time freebsd partisan, they've been making some weird decisions lately and are currently undergoing a colonization attempt by reactionary nutjobs
still beats the shit out of linux though. you have to be turbo-selective to get a laptop that works with any of the three big BSDs -- lots of them (even dell and thinkpad "enterprise" stuff) still have fucked-up DSDTs or firmware bugs that make trouble. for many years I've done BSD on servers and desktops, but the mnt reform doesn't run BSD so that's still Alpine
for now.ghost just doesn't belong in the somewhat-holy tetrad
i always thought it was just freebsd with a wallpaper
CC: @technomancy@hey.hagelb.org
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openbsd: yes
netbsd: sure
freebsd: hmm
dragonflybsd: maybe
ghostbsd: no
speaking as a looooong time freebsd partisan, they've been making some weird decisions lately and are currently undergoing a colonization attempt by reactionary nutjobs
still beats the shit out of linux though. you have to be turbo-selective to get a laptop that works with any of the three big BSDs -- lots of them (even dell and thinkpad "enterprise" stuff) still have fucked-up DSDTs or firmware bugs that make trouble. for many years I've done BSD on servers and desktops, but the mnt reform doesn't run BSD so that's still Alpine
for now.@khm@hj.9fs.net @technomancy@hey.hagelb.org this "let's import the linux kpi wholesale" thing is annoying. I've not heard about any nutjob takeover attempt.
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@khm @technomancy
is this an mnt reform with the rk3588?I am hoping that it will run openbsd soonish
read the obsd changelog and you'd think it's been running for years!
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R relay@relay.infosec.exchange shared this topic
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@khm well unfortunately from what I could tell freebsd is the only one with librewolf
switching from debian/librewolf to openbsd/firefox seems like a 1-step-forward-1-step-back kind of thing, especially since the harm of langlemangle shit in linux is mostly hypothetical while in firefox it's very in-your-face
also netbsd afaict is the only one with a strong published stance on LLM contributions; if openbsd has one, I couldn't find it (supposedly freebsd is at least "working on it")
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@khm well unfortunately from what I could tell freebsd is the only one with librewolf
switching from debian/librewolf to openbsd/firefox seems like a 1-step-forward-1-step-back kind of thing, especially since the harm of langlemangle shit in linux is mostly hypothetical while in firefox it's very in-your-face
also netbsd afaict is the only one with a strong published stance on LLM contributions; if openbsd has one, I couldn't find it (supposedly freebsd is at least "working on it")
There's librewolf in pkgsrc-wip so it should be pretty easy to build on NetBSD.
I tried librewolf a while back, and it takes me just as long to reconfigure it as it does to reconfigure firefox, so they're a wash for me, but I get that "does it run the software I want" is a Pretty Important OS Choice Factor
