so, should I become a BSD weirdo?

[dan@axillae.telent.net]

@technomancy alpine linux uses openrc, though I haven't found any kind of llm statement either pro or anti on their site

[kim@k.iim.gay]

@technomancy i'm not that far off becoming a netbsd weirdo myself. i'm already on Void, originally started by a netbsd dev

[technomancy@hey.hagelb.org]

@kim as excited as I was about that post I linked to, I should have done a little more due diligence before posting it

looking more closely for citations, I can't find anything concrete re: LLM policy from either freebsd or openbsd; netbsd appears to be the only one with an actual published stance! so good for them

unfortunately there is no librewolf or fennel packaged for netbsd =(

[kim@k.iim.gay]

@dan @technomancy i think they're anti-llm, or at least a core contributor (ariadne) is for sure. and openrc is anti-llm for sure.

[orva@social.orva.fi]

@technomancy Time for guix! Parenthesis all the way down!

[technomancy@hey.hagelb.org]

@orva I expect they are more likely than most to do a good job with this, but I can't find any explicit policy around this; do you know if their stance has been published anywhere? I'd like more to go on than just a good feeling

[orva@social.orva.fi]

@technomancy Same feelings/knowledge as well, no explicit denouncement even though I know there is strong anti-llm sentiment.

[kim@k.iim.gay]

@technomancy well if i end up trying it out and package librewolf i'll let you know :p. i already packaged it for Void!

[technomancy@hey.hagelb.org]

@kim not all heroes

[khm@hj.9fs.net]

openbsd: yes
netbsd: sure
freebsd: hmm
dragonflybsd: maybe
ghostbsd: no

speaking as a looooong time freebsd partisan, they've been making some weird decisions lately and are currently undergoing a colonization attempt by reactionary nutjobs

still beats the shit out of linux though. you have to be turbo-selective to get a laptop that works with any of the three big BSDs -- lots of them (even dell and thinkpad "enterprise" stuff) still have fucked-up DSDTs or firmware bugs that make trouble. for many years I've done BSD on servers and desktops, but the mnt reform doesn't run BSD so that's still Alpine

for now.

[crypt17@mas.to]

@khm @technomancy
is this an mnt reform with the rk3588?

I am hoping that it will run openbsd soonish

[pmjv@snac.lab8.cz]

ghost just doesn't belong in the somewhat-holy tetrad

i always thought it was just freebsd with a wallpaper

CC: @technomancy@hey.hagelb.org

[cgnarne@hj.9fs.net]

@khm@hj.9fs.net @technomancy@hey.hagelb.org this "let's import the linux kpi wholesale" thing is annoying. I've not heard about any nutjob takeover attempt.

[khm@hj.9fs.net]

read the obsd changelog and you'd think it's been running for years!

[technomancy@hey.hagelb.org]

@khm well unfortunately from what I could tell freebsd is the only one with librewolf

switching from debian/librewolf to openbsd/firefox seems like a 1-step-forward-1-step-back kind of thing, especially since the harm of langlemangle shit in linux is mostly hypothetical while in firefox it's very in-your-face

also netbsd afaict is the only one with a strong published stance on LLM contributions; if openbsd has one, I couldn't find it (supposedly freebsd is at least "working on it")

[khm@hj.9fs.net]

There's librewolf in pkgsrc-wip so it should be pretty easy to build on NetBSD.

I tried librewolf a while back, and it takes me just as long to reconfigure it as it does to reconfigure firefox, so they're a wash for me, but I get that "does it run the software I want" is a Pretty Important OS Choice Factor