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AI Controls (formerly 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.

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  • viralobscurity@mstdn.socialV viralobscurity@mstdn.social

    @firefoxwebdevs I'll be switching remaining friends and family members over to Librewolf and/or Vivaldi before this update drops

    AI in the browser is a disaster waiting to happen and it's sad to see Mozilla think so little of its users opinions

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    @viralobscurity both Librewolf and Vivaldi have built-in translation, which people overwhelmingly consider to be AI (https://mastodon.social/@firefoxwebdevs/115849251057488746). Vivaldi even sends the text to a server for translation.

    Your choice is your own, but we are up-front about the AI features we have.

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      #83

      @condret @mike our translation, tab naming, and link preview features all use local models.

      The AI sidebar doesn't, but I'm assuming that's obvious as you select a third-party service to use.

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        #84

        @ArneBab people indicated pretty strongly that they wanted a way to block AI, but re-enable particular features https://mastodon.social/@firefoxwebdevs/115849251057488746.

        It used to be referred to as a 'kill switch', which is much stronger wording, and a lot of folks wanted that wording (see the replies https://mastodon.social/@firefoxwebdevs/115740500373677782). But I think "block" is a reasonable middle ground. I understand that you don't.

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          #85

          @ArneBab @vex @dveditz I found our discussion here reasonable, fwiw. I appreciated your viewpoints here, even if I didn't agree with all of them.

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            #86

            @vex @sarah is there a particular AI feature/flow that you feel bypasses consent?

            Models are downloaded after the user indicates they want the feature.

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            • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

              AI Controls (formerly 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.

              For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/

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              #87

              @firefoxwebdevs Sounds great. Fuck your browser.

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              • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

                AI Controls (formerly 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.

                For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/

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                #88

                @firefoxwebdevs
                Better late than even later… thank you!

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                • wojtek@social.vivaldi.netW wojtek@social.vivaldi.net

                  @fabio @firefoxwebdevs survey only shows a tiny fraction of the total userbase. why it should influencethe default?

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                  #89

                  @wojtek
                  Because optIn is better than optOut.

                  @fabio @firefoxwebdevs

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                  • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

                    AI Controls (formerly 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.

                    For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/

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                    @firefoxwebdevs YES! Thank you.

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                    • ambiguous_yelp@veganism.socialA ambiguous_yelp@veganism.social

                      @firefoxwebdevs

                      Immediately restore the work of japanese language translators that you paved over with AI slop

                      Link Preview Image
                      AI Controversy Forces End of Mozilla’s Japanese SUMO Community

                      The SUMO Japanese team quits en masse, accusing Mozilla’s AI system of erasing years of community translation work.

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                      Linuxiac (linuxiac.com)

                      #Firefox #Mozilla #Japanese #GenAI #AISlop #LLM

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                      @ambiguous_yelp @firefoxwebdevs I was convinced the damage is irreparable. Wasn't everything just deleted?

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                      • oay@mastodon.socialO oay@mastodon.social

                        @firefoxwebdevs the tiny minority of people who choose to use firefox at all dont want AI. it should be off by default if its being shoehorned in anyway, but since mozilla doesnt care the least they could do is not neuter the name.

                        "kill switch" bites, "AI controls" licks

                        EDIT: misread formally as formerly, still dont like this

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                        #92

                        also, several people in the replies here point out that firefox questions the users choice after they already toggled the kill switch. im normally fine with software giving me a warning if it could potentially mitigate unintended consequences, particularly when it comes to security and/or privacy. in this case, a warning message would be more appropriate if you turned AI features ON, not OFF. i think thats why the demo video especially irks me

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                        • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

                          AI Controls (formerly 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.

                          For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/

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                          @firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social Well, it should have been there first and disabled by default, but at least it’s here now. Cool.

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                          • nieuemma@mastodon.deN nieuemma@mastodon.de

                            @ambiguous_yelp @firefoxwebdevs I was convinced the damage is irreparable. Wasn't everything just deleted?

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                            @nieuemma idk but I'm never going to let them forget it, maybe they'll make a statement that its impossible

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                            • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

                              AI Controls (formerly 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.

                              For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/

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                              @firefoxwebdevs @alternativeto Nope, thanks.

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                                #96

                                @ArneBab @vex @dveditz haha yeah it's 22:30 here. Sigh.

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                                • iam@ernestoacosta.orgI iam@ernestoacosta.org

                                  @firefoxwebdevs @alternativeto Nope, thanks.

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                                  @iam @alternativeto That's the thing about choice, 'nope' is an option.

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                                  • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

                                    @iam @alternativeto That's the thing about choice, 'nope' is an option.

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                                    @firefoxwebdevs @alternativeto No, the choice is to use something else that doesn't have AI (which nobody asked for), and which should be disabled by default, not enabled. Read the room.

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                                      @ArneBab @vex @dveditz now you're just trying to make me feel better

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                                      • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

                                        AI Controls (formerly 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.

                                        For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/

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                                        @firefoxwebdevs Why isn't it enabled by default?

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                                        • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

                                          @sarah I'm not sure what we can do to convince you other than hold the promise over time.

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                                          @firefoxwebdevs @sarah maybe start by talking to your CEO:

                                          > Firefox will remain our anchor. It will evolve into a modern AI browser and support a portfolio of new and trusted software additions.
                                          https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/leadership/mozillas-next-chapter-anthony-enzor-demeo-new-ceo/

                                          This vision is a huge reason why people are not convinced. That, and how getting Firefox to implement these controls at long last felt like pulling teeth.

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