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AI Controls (formerly 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.

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  • wojtek@social.vivaldi.netW wojtek@social.vivaldi.net

    @fabio @firefoxwebdevs survey only shows a tiny fraction of the total userbase. why it should influencethe default?

    wariat@mastodon.socialW This user is from outside of this forum
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    @wojtek
    Because optIn is better than optOut.

    @fabio @firefoxwebdevs

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    • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

      AI Controls (formerly 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.

      For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/

      ranlvor@queerchen.deR This user is from outside of this forum
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      #90

      @firefoxwebdevs YES! Thank you.

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      • ambiguous_yelp@veganism.socialA ambiguous_yelp@veganism.social

        @firefoxwebdevs

        Immediately restore the work of japanese language translators that you paved over with AI slop

        Link Preview Image
        AI Controversy Forces End of Mozilla’s Japanese SUMO Community

        The SUMO Japanese team quits en masse, accusing Mozilla’s AI system of erasing years of community translation work.

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        Linuxiac (linuxiac.com)

        #Firefox #Mozilla #Japanese #GenAI #AISlop #LLM

        nieuemma@mastodon.deN This user is from outside of this forum
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        #91

        @ambiguous_yelp @firefoxwebdevs I was convinced the damage is irreparable. Wasn't everything just deleted?

        ambiguous_yelp@veganism.socialA yoasif@mastodon.socialY 2 Replies Last reply
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        • oay@mastodon.socialO oay@mastodon.social

          @firefoxwebdevs the tiny minority of people who choose to use firefox at all dont want AI. it should be off by default if its being shoehorned in anyway, but since mozilla doesnt care the least they could do is not neuter the name.

          "kill switch" bites, "AI controls" licks

          EDIT: misread formally as formerly, still dont like this

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          #92

          also, several people in the replies here point out that firefox questions the users choice after they already toggled the kill switch. im normally fine with software giving me a warning if it could potentially mitigate unintended consequences, particularly when it comes to security and/or privacy. in this case, a warning message would be more appropriate if you turned AI features ON, not OFF. i think thats why the demo video especially irks me

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          • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

            AI Controls (formerly 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.

            For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/

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            #93

            @firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social Well, it should have been there first and disabled by default, but at least it’s here now. Cool.

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            • nieuemma@mastodon.deN nieuemma@mastodon.de

              @ambiguous_yelp @firefoxwebdevs I was convinced the damage is irreparable. Wasn't everything just deleted?

              ambiguous_yelp@veganism.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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              #94

              @nieuemma idk but I'm never going to let them forget it, maybe they'll make a statement that its impossible

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              • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

                AI Controls (formerly 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.

                For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/

                iam@ernestoacosta.orgI This user is from outside of this forum
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                #95

                @firefoxwebdevs @alternativeto Nope, thanks.

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                  #96

                  @ArneBab @vex @dveditz haha yeah it's 22:30 here. Sigh.

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                  • iam@ernestoacosta.orgI iam@ernestoacosta.org

                    @firefoxwebdevs @alternativeto Nope, thanks.

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                    #97

                    @iam @alternativeto That's the thing about choice, 'nope' is an option.

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                    • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

                      @iam @alternativeto That's the thing about choice, 'nope' is an option.

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                      #98

                      @firefoxwebdevs @alternativeto No, the choice is to use something else that doesn't have AI (which nobody asked for), and which should be disabled by default, not enabled. Read the room.

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                      • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #99

                        @ArneBab @vex @dveditz now you're just trying to make me feel better

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                        • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

                          AI Controls (formerly 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.

                          For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/

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                          #100

                          @firefoxwebdevs Why isn't it enabled by default?

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                          • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

                            @sarah I'm not sure what we can do to convince you other than hold the promise over time.

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                            #101

                            @firefoxwebdevs @sarah maybe start by talking to your CEO:

                            > Firefox will remain our anchor. It will evolve into a modern AI browser and support a portfolio of new and trusted software additions.
                            https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/leadership/mozillas-next-chapter-anthony-enzor-demeo-new-ceo/

                            This vision is a huge reason why people are not convinced. That, and how getting Firefox to implement these controls at long last felt like pulling teeth.

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                            • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

                              AI Controls (formerly 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.

                              For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/

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                              #102

                              @firefoxwebdevs You have lost all sense and sensibility. You have lost the plot. You are bleeding users and your idea to get them back is to introduce features NOBODY wants. You used to be a good alternative to corporate browsers, but you have become the evil you were fighting against. Good riddance.

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                              • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

                                AI Controls (formerly 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.

                                For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/

                                calx@infosec.exchangeC This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #103

                                @firefoxwebdevs pretty nice, wish more software allowed this

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                                • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

                                  AI Controls (formerly 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.

                                  For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/

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                                  @firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social I think it would be better if the toggle was somewhere in the main UI or hamburger menu, instead of buried in the settings tab.

                                  I think it would also make sense to have an on-boarding prompt to enable/disable AI when people open the browser the first time or update to the version this is added.

                                  As other people are pointing out, the default if noone has explicitly turned it on should be off.

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                                  • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

                                    AI Controls (formerly 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.

                                    For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/

                                    workingclassgames@tech.lgbtW This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #105

                                    @firefoxwebdevs This will just make firefox worse. aiSlop is already crashing and on the way out. Do the right thing here, get rid of it.

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                                    • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

                                      AI Controls (formerly 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.

                                      For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/

                                      alvan@social.lolA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      #106

                                      @firefoxwebdevs nice 👍

                                      I think if it runs locally, AI features are quite useful. E.g. I use translations daily. Tab grouping and image alt texts would also be great. Unfortunately they are probably not eligible to run locally.

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                                      • wojtek@social.vivaldi.netW wojtek@social.vivaldi.net

                                        @fabio @firefoxwebdevs survey only shows a tiny fraction of the total userbase. why it should influencethe default?

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                                        #107

                                        @wojtek Interesting that you have a Vivaldi.net account, a browser that famously doesn’t include any AI features. Your question is a bit strange in this context, or maybe it’s just a bad attempt at being a contrarian.

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                                        • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

                                          @tay @madduci correct! You're blocking the entry points for these features, and features like it in future.

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                                          #108

                                          @firefoxwebdevs @tay @madduci that feels more like "hide" than "block" to me

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