AI Controls (formerly 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.
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@fasterandworse @ZBennoui @froztbyte @reflex @ddelemeny the option isn't within the translate tool, but translation can indeed be provided by add-ons, e.g. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/simple-translate/
@jaffathecake @ZBennoui @froztbyte @reflex @ddelemeny but will they be promoted as alternative options directly in the context of the built-in translation tool?
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@reflex @ddelemeny @jaffathecake @froztbyte they want to keep framing this as a deliberation over the merits of individual features instead of a, pretty straight forward, push for a separation of concerns between a web browser and extensions
@reflex @ddelemeny @jaffathecake @froztbyte @fasterandworse not to mention the increased risk of vulnerabilities. I would say that I have not updated my Firefox to avoid these updates and I do find the Mastodon is anti-AI is, being generous, the wrong interpretation of the poll.
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@davidgerard @jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs Oh, I see: "Developer relations lead" at Mozilla (and previously "developer advocate" at Google). No wonder he's putting "developer of sorts" in all his profiles/blurbs/blogs.
@barubary @davidgerard @jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs That’s silly, all the sorts are in textbooks already, we don’t need more
(Sorry)
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@reflex @ddelemeny @jaffathecake @froztbyte @fasterandworse not to mention the increased risk of vulnerabilities. I would say that I have not updated my Firefox to avoid these updates and I do find the Mastodon is anti-AI is, being generous, the wrong interpretation of the poll.
@reflex @ddelemeny @jaffathecake @froztbyte @fasterandworse after my Firefox stops working, I'll switch to something else. Most probably librewolf
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@reflex @ddelemeny @jaffathecake @froztbyte @fasterandworse not to mention the increased risk of vulnerabilities. I would say that I have not updated my Firefox to avoid these updates and I do find the Mastodon is anti-AI is, being generous, the wrong interpretation of the poll.
@dadadan @ddelemeny @jaffathecake @froztbyte @fasterandworse Zen and Waterfox have committed to keeping AI out of the default experience. I'm hoping they add Servo as an alternative renderer once they are ready to start taking on bugs, ideally done in a way where we can switch between engines until Servo can fully take over.
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@wariat @fabio @firefoxwebdevs
Yes! I know! Firefox, with each update should present a new-tab-page forcing users selecting all new additions. You know - some may not want new JS api! Or CSS adding animations! /s
@wojtek
Nope, it's not the same. -
@jaffathecake @ZBennoui @froztbyte @reflex @ddelemeny but will they be promoted as alternative options directly in the context of the built-in translation tool?
@fasterandworse @ZBennoui @froztbyte @reflex @ddelemeny I'm not aware of any plan for that. I guess it's similar to the bookmark system not promoting other bookmarking solutions.
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@duke_of_germany
just to confirm: i've used Firefox almost since it was released, and been the person who pushes it on people i know.i've stopped using it, 100% caused by the odd priorities at Mozilla, with AI as the final drop.
not saying this in order to convince them to change direction. i'm gone and i no longer care. it's just a factual contribution to the discussion.
@bjoernstaerk @duke_of_germany @jonny @jaffathecake @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard Yep - exactly the same with me. There are lots of browser choices and I've chosen that Firefox is no longer one of them.
For me, it was the change in policy for being not able to say "we don't sell your data" and not Ai - but the Ai stance doesn't make me want to come back.
Saying that the “Mastodon users don't like Ai" is a pretty sweeping generalization and it's easy to interpret as negative.
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@fennix to be clear, I'm not playing this off as a mastodon thing. I mean… if my intent was to ignore people here, I've done a pretty bad job of that given I've engaged with people most of today.
My point was that if you run a poll about AI preference on Mastodon, it's pretty obvious what the outcome will be. That doesn't mean it isn't valid, it just means that putting effort into discovering what's already discovered is a misuse of time.
@jaffathecake @fennix fyi you can ignore people while ostensibly engaging them. this is easy to do if you deliberately do not address the actual points people are making and instead focus on semantics.
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@fasterandworse @ZBennoui @froztbyte @reflex @ddelemeny I'm not aware of any plan for that. I guess it's similar to the bookmark system not promoting other bookmarking solutions.
@jaffathecake @ZBennoui @froztbyte @reflex @ddelemeny unfortunately the addons library has a bunch of plugins to improve the firefox bookmarking system but not so many to replace it
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@jaffathecake @ZBennoui @reflex @ddelemeny that reply is another example of Doing It Again, fwiw.
@jaffathecake @ZBennoui @reflex @ddelemeny I’ve given this a couple of hours (and I’m willing to give it a day or two)
But I want to point out to you, @jaffathecake, that your silence and non-engagement here is not going to be read favourably. By anyone.
And they can see you’ve engaged elsewhere.
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@jaffathecake @ZBennoui @reflex @ddelemeny I’ve given this a couple of hours (and I’m willing to give it a day or two)
But I want to point out to you, @jaffathecake, that your silence and non-engagement here is not going to be read favourably. By anyone.
And they can see you’ve engaged elsewhere.
@froztbyte @ZBennoui @reflex @ddelemeny my engagements have slowed because it's evening for me. Your sense of entitlement over my time in general is misplaced, especially during my personal time. To be entirely clear: you have no right to my personal attention.
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@froztbyte @ZBennoui @reflex @ddelemeny my engagements have slowed because it's evening for me. Your sense of entitlement over my time in general is misplaced, especially during my personal time. To be entirely clear: you have no right to my personal attention.
@froztbyte @ZBennoui @reflex @ddelemeny also, if you were behaving like this towards me in a bar, as in hassling me for direct attention, during my personal time, well this feels like a much more justifiable reason to have you ejected vs the situation you mentioned earlier. Do you understand?
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@thehighseas@ioc.exchange @jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs Jake is furiously throwing up anything he can to distract from the question of AI in Firefox. That is literally the job he is paid to be here to do, yes.
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@froztbyte @ZBennoui @reflex @ddelemeny my engagements have slowed because it's evening for me. Your sense of entitlement over my time in general is misplaced, especially during my personal time. To be entirely clear: you have no right to my personal attention.
@jaffathecake @ZBennoui @reflex @ddelemeny I didn’t claim any, and the attitude of your response *once again* portrays the problem highlighted to you
That said, I’ll still check up in a day or two
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@froztbyte @ZBennoui @reflex @ddelemeny also, if you were behaving like this towards me in a bar, as in hassling me for direct attention, during my personal time, well this feels like a much more justifiable reason to have you ejected vs the situation you mentioned earlier. Do you understand?
@jaffathecake @ZBennoui @reflex @ddelemeny Fuck right off with the DARVO kthx
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@froztbyte @ZBennoui @reflex @ddelemeny also, if you were behaving like this towards me in a bar, as in hassling me for direct attention, during my personal time, well this feels like a much more justifiable reason to have you ejected vs the situation you mentioned earlier. Do you understand?
@jaffathecake @froztbyte @ZBennoui @reflex @ddelemeny this is a very thudding and obvious attempt to distract from answering the actual question
you need to be more subtle to pull this one off
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@froztbyte @ZBennoui @reflex @ddelemeny also, if you were behaving like this towards me in a bar, as in hassling me for direct attention, during my personal time, well this feels like a much more justifiable reason to have you ejected vs the situation you mentioned earlier. Do you understand?
@jaffathecake @froztbyte @ZBennoui @ddelemeny You kind of suck at this whole marketing thing.
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@wojtek
Nope, it's not the same.@wariat @fabio @firefoxwebdevs sure!
but let's step back - why do you want it to be "opt-out"?
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@jaffathecake @ZBennoui @reflex @ddelemeny Fuck right off with the DARVO kthx
@froztbyte @ZBennoui @reflex @ddelemeny ok you've absolutely had enough of my attention.
